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02Pilot
02Pilot UltraDork
4/19/20 10:46 a.m.

In reply to nimblemotorsports :

I know who John Oliver is, but that's it. My TV exposure is quite limited.

As to facts, and their discovery and use, the decline of good journalism is a real problem. It's not dead, but what remains is being lost in the noise. Finding it is harder than it used to be, and as always one has to develop enough of their own knowledge and understanding to make judgments as to its value. It should also be noted that the inclusion of facts in reporting is, by itself, fairly useless as a measure of quality; the exclusion of facts - and which facts - is often more valuable as a tool to determine whether something is quality objective reporting or not. Selective use and exclusion of objective fact is a good indication of a lack of objectivity. A good objective reporter will anticipate the questions and criticisms of their readers and provide them with the material to make their own judgment; a commentator with an agenda will try to convince you their interpretation is correct.

nimblemotorsports
nimblemotorsports Reader
4/19/20 11:57 a.m.

In reply to 02Pilot :

He is first a comedian and often a r-rated one and quite funny, but his information is quite good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwY2E0hjGuU

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
4/19/20 12:02 p.m.

Oh, one more I remember, and I hesitate to mention it because I know there are certain "assumptions" about him, but Ben Shapiro does a good job of providing an "different" perspective on many topics.  He is not as much on "a team" as many think. He is very data driven though (seems to miss some data sometimes...), and can be useful to listen to on data related topic. Importantly, almost anything involving a certain religion / country (starts with J/I) has to be taken in perspective (he is very religious).

Another, very much not newsy source, is the front page of Reddit.  It is highly slanted on many topics (its got a bit of a group think majority rules issue, and likely a lot of foreign government influence), but does seem to mimic what you might find in social media and what the "younger crowd" is thinking / seeing.  So if you want to avoid Facebook stuff (!) but want to know what is going around, it seems like a good source.

I do have a request:  Does anyone have any good sources with an International / military perspective?  I have seen Military News, but it is focuses on working in the US military (government contracts etc.).  I listen to a podcast (Bryan Suits) occasionally who has some very interesting perspective (probably helps a lot he very knowledgeable about history), especially on Middle East issues (he is former US military and has a lot of military friends).

Carbon (Forum Supporter)
Carbon (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
4/20/20 11:16 a.m.

I mostly just listen to the voices.

 

You know, the voices.

 

Everyone is hearing them right?

 

 

 

Help....

Carbon (Forum Supporter)
Carbon (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
4/20/20 11:18 a.m.

And Joe Rogan of course 

mtn (Forum Supporter)
mtn (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
4/20/20 12:32 p.m.

I watch just about every John Oliver episode - very rarely do I miss one, as they're all on YouTube for free (EDIT: Apparently only the main segment is - see post below). I highly recommend it, but with the following caveats: 

  1. It is investigative reporting. This means that you get one story a week - sometimes it is on Mobile Homes/trailer parks, sometimes it is on Covid, sometimes it is on WWE wrestling. 
  2. It is a comedy show
  3. It is obviously very biased (although that being said, I haven't found any of it to be false, with the exception of the obvious bits that he does)

 

The part about #3 though... he leaves some sides of the story untold, but when I go searching for and find the untold side of the story, my opinion doesn't change. I really think he does a good job. 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UltimaDork
4/20/20 1:26 p.m.
mtn (Forum Supporter) said:

I watch just about every John Oliver episode - very rarely do I miss one, as they're all on YouTube for free.

The main segments often are, but not the whole show.

mtn (Forum Supporter)
mtn (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
4/20/20 1:32 p.m.
ProDarwin said:
mtn (Forum Supporter) said:

I watch just about every John Oliver episode - very rarely do I miss one, as they're all on YouTube for free.

The main segments often are, but not the whole show.

Ah, then I am probably missing out on a lot. 

For national news I read the Washington Post online.

Local - I still get the Denver Post delivered twice a week.  It's getting to be pretty thin and it sure isn't cheap anymore, but it starts my bbq chimney way better than the online version.

NPR while I'm at my desk or in the garage.

I agree that John Oliver is both hilarious and deep in his research.  A must watch!

I've not watched TV news in years.  Wouldn't know where to start.

Jerry From LA
Jerry From LA SuperDork
4/20/20 6:56 p.m.

NPR
BBC
PBS
Reuters
ProPublica
LA Times online
New Haven Register online
militarytimes.com
KNBC-4 for local stories and interest like earthquakes and stuff
Lately, the Cuomo brothers on CNN because I'm Italian-American and my brothers and I talk to each other the same way but, other than that, no.
Vic DiBenedetto for commentary.  Just watch out for the spit.

 

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