Where is the Fit Si?

I was sitting next to a black Honda Fit at the red light today and I had to wonder why this great little car doesn't have an Si version? It is the same basic size/shape as the Fiesta ST, and would be a BLAST with similar performance. The issue of course is that even it's big brother the Civic can't play with the FiST, let alone the Focus ST. But Honda has everything it needs to get the job done.

Put the Civic Si motor/trans into the Fit...200hp would be perfect and the shifter is already one of the best around. The suspension guys could grab parts from other cars within the Honda universe and make something that would really handle. THEN. Put the turbo motor from the old RDX into the Civic Si. Honda would have two screamer that the tuners would love and we could take to the track.

I dont know that'd I call him fit but he aint in bad shape for a man his age

I've wondered this for a long time. A friend autocrosses his Fit - it's a real bulldog with its lowered stance and wide tires, but it still lacks grunt.

where is the kia rondo?

I think it's where Honda keeps all the cool cars they should be building: Imagination Land.

When Soichiro died so did Honda's sporting spirit. Now, when I think of Honda words like banal, listless and uninspired come to mind.

The subject comes up every time I see the nephew who engineers for them in Marysville and all he can do is shrug his shoulders. His garage herd includes an E90 M3, Aprilia Tuono and a Chevy truck but he may have one of their lawnmowers.

They've lost their way. A lot of the Japanese manufacturers have. Maybe all of them? In the 90's Japan was turning out fantastic cars and domestic manufactures were churning out crap. Now the domestics are doing nutty stuff in the muscle car arena and some really good small cars and the Japanese cars all seem to be boring appliances. OK, not all of them, but a sizeable majority.

but the customers want boring appliances. It's where the bulk of the money is.

seriously.. Wuling Sunshine? http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mkk45ekfi/3-wuling-sunshine/

At least they haven't gotten as boring as the Mitsubishi lineup and sporting support over the past 5 years.....now that is abysmal

Some of you guys are forgetting that making a Fit si would be making an already fun car more fun. The base Fit is not an uninspired, boring appliance. I wish Honda would make some more exciting cars, but lets keep things in perspective.

I've heard nothing but good things about the Fit and Fit Sport. Honda's never been about outright fast cars, even their super car wasn't that fast. They just have engaging and fun to drive cars that are practical and reliable. Seems like they haven't lost their way, people's expectations of them have changed instead.

I think the Fit and the Accord both need an SI version. 200hp K20 for the fit, 250hp RDX engine for the civic, and a 300hp v6 for the Accord. They already give the accord coupe a 6 speed and v6, now give it to the sedan, but with no fluff.

Honda needs an SI for everyone. An SI accord is something that would fit a lot of peoples' needs.

In reply to Jarod:

And then give us an Accord wagon with the V6 and a stick. Sure they'll only sell 9 of them. Whocares? It will make internet enthusiasts happy!

Jarod wrote: An SI accord is something that would fit a lot of peoples' needs.

GRM reviewed the accord sport very favorably, probably as close as we'll get to a accord SI.

mazdeuce wrote: In reply to Jarod: And then give us an Accord wagon with the V6 and a stick. Sure they'll only sell 9 of them. Whocares? It will make internet enthusiasts happy!

Its called a Pilot or the CR-V, no one buys Accord Wagons and you'll get an auto because that's what everyone else wants. Except most of the rest of the world.

You can keep the Si. It's always been a watered down version of the Type R. Other than importing, the way to have a great Honda sports car in North America is to build it yourself.

keep in mind that Honda is an appliance company now (disregard Indy and F1) … plus they don't want (my opinion) to be known, again, as a street tuner/racer company

Honda's never really been a leader in bringing new tech to market. They've always been more of a "lets LET someone else figure it out and then after the bugs are gone we'll do it too." type of car company.

Bobzilla wrote: Honda's never really been a leader in bringing new tech to market. They've always been more of a "lets LET someone else figure it out and then after the bugs are gone we'll do it too." type of car company.

explain. Sure they didn't invent the 4 cycle engine but they made it reliable at crazy high RPM. lots of innovation there.

Jarod wrote: ... and a 300hp v6 for the Accord. They already give the accord coupe a 6 speed and v6, now give it to the sedan, but with no fluff.+

Not disagreeing with anything you said, but the Accord's V6 is already pretty close to 300 HP. Floored my wife's car recently, and was somewhat impressed. The car handles nicely also, at least it's better than my 10-year old MPV.

Fueled by Caffeine wrote:

Bobzilla wrote: Honda's never really been a leader in bringing new tech to market. They've always been more of a "lets LET someone else figure it out and then after the bugs are gone we'll do it too." type of car company.

explain. Sure they didn't invent the 4 cycle engine but they made it reliable at crazy high RPM. lots of innovation there.

I agree with Fueled by Caffeine.

They always innovated and did their own thing, rarely tried to copy. From CVCC to VTEC on the NSX, to the SH diff. on the last gen Prelude.

I miss the late 80s through 90s Honda. Its probably one of the reasons why I still keep my S2000 and have not sold it, its one of their last greatest cars.

In reply to Jarod: x2

As I drive my 2011 Accord 5-speed I think this all the time. How about a light weight Accord Si with more 4-cylinder hp and a better suspension and exhaust.

Oh wait, I just drank some strong cough medicine and I am fading off to dream land.......

Datsun310Guy wrote: Oh wait, I just drank some strong cough medicine and I am fading off to dream land.......

Honda management took the same medication but forgot how to deam.

mazdeuce wrote: In reply to Jarod: And then give us an Accord wagon with the V6 and a stick. Sure they'll only sell 9 of them. Whocares? It will make internet enthusiasts happy!

I'm not asking them to bring a new body style over. Every major part required to make an Accord SI is already here, just not offered in the right combinations. I was cross shopping Civic SIs a few years ago, and they were just too small, and the only Accord with a manual had less power than a Civic SI.

The difference in price between a 4 cylinder EX-L accord and a 6 cylinder EX-L is 30,270 vs 30,775 and manual is still a no cost option. Give me that option on the sedan sport, it would actually cost less than the CVT option according to their build app.

1988RedT2 wrote: In reply to Jarod: Not disagreeing with anything you said, but the Accord's V6 is already pretty close to 300 HP. Floored my wife's car recently, and was somewhat impressed. The car handles nicely also, at least it's better than my 10-year old MPV.

Exactly, no increase in power is really needed, just use the existing powertrain from the coupe. Just enough to distinguish from the Civic SI.