In reply to aircooled:
Thats actually a badass site
Several well known/in high places people.....
http://news.msn.com/world/all-walks-of-life-among-malaysia-plane-passengers
Latest reports confirm the missile came from rebel territory. Also there is a message recorded that Russian officers were discussing the incident.
I heard there is a picture of a Russian transport loaded with a Buk missile launcher, missing 2 missiles (they are commonly ripple fired) heading into Russia. RT.com is getting some interesting reading (squirming).
I am sure Russia will deny, deny, deny and certainly never admit anything internally, but I am also pretty certain the US knows EXACTLY where the missile came from. In general the US has historically been PRETTY DAMN interested in any missile launches from the former Soviet Union areas, if you know what I mean, and I am sure has LOTS of assets to monitor that (satellites, AWACS, J-STARS etc).
To give photo credit, this is from a Washington Post article. IF it's authentic, looks like a direct hit on the cockpit.
And another flight dissapears from radar. At least it is a different airline this time. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28460625
Crashed on land. Seems Raul Castro's daughter was on board:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/africa/air-algerie-flight/
aircooled wrote: I heard there is a picture of a Russian transport loaded with a Buk missile launcher, missing 2 missiles (they are commonly ripple fired) heading into Russia. RT.com is getting some interesting reading (squirming).
Did you see the commentary by a guy that speaks Russian and reads Ukrainian? Turns out that missile launcher being towed was like 80 miles inside Ukrainian territory and was Ukrainian. The guy could read the road signs and the billboards in the pics. In other words, pure propaganda piece by the Ukrainian government.
Not to rile up Yamaha (or others), but yeah, this whole MH-17 debacle makes no sense. I do not believe much of anything that has been reported by the US media nor the government. The State Department the other day essentially said, "Trust us we are the good guys and the Russians are bad so we know they did it. We need to act swiftly and not wait for a formal investigation." The Russians on the other hand have released radar images and keep asking for an actual investigation into the incident. Couple that with that there is absolutely zero motive for the Russians to have done this, but there is a strong one for the Ukrainians.
I really don't know how people keep a straight face when they say some of the things that they do.
Yeah, I was wondering about that pic. Hadn't heard anything more about it. It's pretty silly the Ukrainians would try some propaganda. Seems totally unnecessary in this case.
I am just waiting for a release of some of the US data (if they ever do) and the obligatory "with the special effects they make movies with, they can fabricate anything". I think it would be similar to this:
Quartermaster Clerk: One Swedish-made penis enlarger.
Austin Powers: [to Vanessa] That's not mine.
Quartermaster Clerk: One credit card receipt for Swedish-made penis enlarger signed by Austin Powers.
Austin Powers: I'm telling ya baby, that's not mine.
Quartermaster Clerk: One warranty card for Swedish-made penis enlarger pump, filled out by Austin Powers.
Austin Powers: I don't even know what this is! This sort of thing ain't my bag, baby.
Quartermaster Clerk: One book, "Swedish-made Penis Enlargers And Me: This Sort of Thing Is My Bag Baby", by Austin Powers.
Here's an article, AC: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/key-piece-video-%E2%80%9Cevidence%E2%80%9D-russian-responsibility-malaysian-plane-shootdown-debunked
80 km, not miles. Whatever. Under Kiev's control since May.
You know that 6 degrees of separation thing? The one where within 6 someone-who-knows-someone you can get to anyone on the planet? Well... Ya'll know me, right? My mother's sister's husband's sister's friend was on that plane and is now dead. My uncle grew up in Indonesia and the area was very poor. There were no schools, so his sister and her friend (now deceased) taught the children.
Oh, and it looks like the Ukrainians had been flying attack aircraft behind commercial jets, dropping down for a bombing run, then back next to the commercial jet so that the "separatists" or whatever you call them wouldn't shoot at the attack aircraft. I suspect that what likely happened is the Ukrainian air traffic controllers rerouted the 777 over enemy territory so that the 2 SU25's could use it as a shield for an attack run. The "separatists" thought it was a Ukrainian transport plane escorted by 2 SU25's and took a shot at it. That's my theory, anyway.
Mom talked to her friend in the Netherlands. Dutch media is reporting that the Ukrainians told the airline/aircraft that it was safe to fly there.
Dr. Hess wrote: Oh, and it looks like the Ukrainians had been flying attack aircraft behind commercial jets, dropping down for a bombing run, then back next to the commercial jet so that the "separatists" or whatever you call them wouldn't shoot at the attack aircraft. I suspect that what likely happened is the Ukrainian air traffic controllers rerouted the 777 over enemy territory so that the 2 SU25's could use it as a shield for an attack run. The "separatists" thought it was a Ukrainian transport plane escorted by 2 SU25's and took a shot at it. That's my theory, anyway. Mom talked to her friend in the Netherlands. Dutch media is reporting that the Ukrainians told the airline/aircraft that it was safe to fly there.
Interesting theory. Makes good strategic sense for the attacker... like Hamas putting rocket launchers in school yards and hospitals.
In reply to T.J.:
And thats why I always check BBC first.
Oddly enough, claims are now being made that the crash site has been mined......
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:Dr. Hess wrote: Oh, and it looks like the Ukrainians had been flying attack aircraft behind commercial jets, dropping down for a bombing run, then back next to the commercial jet so that the "separatists" or whatever you call them wouldn't shoot at the attack aircraft. I suspect that what likely happened is the Ukrainian air traffic controllers rerouted the 777 over enemy territory so that the 2 SU25's could use it as a shield for an attack run. The "separatists" thought it was a Ukrainian transport plane escorted by 2 SU25's and took a shot at it. That's my theory, anyway. Mom talked to her friend in the Netherlands. Dutch media is reporting that the Ukrainians told the airline/aircraft that it was safe to fly there.Interesting theory. Makes good strategic sense for the attacker... like Hamas putting rocket launchers in school yards and hospitals.
Except an SU25 can't fly anywhere near 33000 feet.
Interesting on the ceiling. Wikipedia (which I am sure is 100% correct and my go-to source of info whenever I want to know what unqualified idiots think about a subject) says the ceiling is around 23K ft. Also, there was a report out that the Ukrainian air traffic control told the flight to drop to 31K ft but the pilot refused. 30K ft is the upper limit of the no-fly combat zone there, I also read. I wouldn't totally rule out the human shield scenario, as the SU25's could have been in the vicinity of the 777 but not at the same level, but the flight ceiling does weigh against it.
Note that the air traffic control records were immediately seized by the Ukrainians, who have not released them.
OK, it wasn't SU-25's. It was SU-27's, and they have no problem at all at 31K.
http://scgnews.com/flight-mh17-what-youre-not-being-told
http://theaviationist.com/2014/07/21/su-27s-escorted-mh17/
Yep it seems nearly certain now that the piece came from MH370, just gotta wait for them to confirm that the serial numbers match to be absolutely sure.
Sad that the relatives of some of the people killed in the crash are "still holding onto hope." In other words, their grief has driven them to become nutball conspiracy theorists rather than accept reality.
In reply to Dr. Hess:
That map appears to be suggesting that the calculations were dead accurate, and that the debris has since exactly followed typical current patterns.
Am I reading that right?
It also means to some extent that the original search areas were way off. They dropped buoys out there and virtually none of them had any drift in a eastward direction. They suspected that most of the debris would have been going west - southwest caught up in the Antarctic flows.
They also thought the plane would have gone either directly north over land or did a u-turn and headed nearly directly south. Nobody thought the plane would have headed east.
I really hope we can find the thing and get some sort of idea as to what happened.
Saw a guy on CNN saying that the piece had probably circulated in the current several times before landing on the beach.
For the record, I think the cockpit fire theory is most likely. It could explain why they didn't radio back (radio burned out/didn't have time) and the last turn they made matches up with what a pilot should've done if there was a fire.
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