Gary
Reader
3/14/14 8:55 a.m.
Reuters reports that military tracking evidence shows the plane deliberately changed course and headed towards the Indian Ocean, a sharp left to nearly the opposite direction.
The plane had an additional 4-hours’ worth of fuel onboard.
There’s no trace of debris where the transponder and data reporting devise stopped working.
U.S. Destroyer Kidd now heading for the Indian Ocean.
So was the plane hijacked? Did it land somewhere? Why hasn’t anybody taken credit? Are all of our NSA satellites looking at every airport in the region for a rogue 777? What would be the purpose of hijacking a 777? Fill it full of C4, refuel, and send it on to its original destination (with the transponder and data reporting devise turned off of course)? Asian conspiracy perhaps?
Gary wrote:
Reuters reports that military tracking evidence shows the plane deliberately changed course and headed towards the Indian Ocean, a sharp left to nearly the opposite direction.
I still don't think the "military" is giving good info.
yamaha
UltimaDork
3/14/14 9:12 a.m.
To quote from another board,
the missing airplane is the 404th boeing 777 2H6ER to be made therefore it is the "404 not found"
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
If they took it someplace remote for later use, where are they gonna get fuel for it? Filling up is around 45000 gallons of jet fuel, which will get you 7700 miles. 4-5 tanker trucks of jet fuel don't disappear unnoticed.
Good point, if the plane did manage to land at a air strip that is tucked deep away somewhere that is remote enough that nobody is able to go there or see it via satellite then getting 5 tanker trucks of jet fuel to said remote air strip would probably be a pretty tough task, not saying it cant be done but it would be a big challenge.
Theres alot of ocean that it could of went down in, thats what im guessing (and hoping vs the the other option)
Just saw on the news (CNN) that it now looks like the plane went to an island off India
Here's the news on their site...looks like grasping at straws again, at this point:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/14/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Yea. I was just going to say there are a lot of theories, so "grasping at straws" sums it up.
Getting a plane load of JP5 or whatever those use is pretty easy. You know how many little pocket tankers (ships) there are? A bunch, not to mention regular 2-300K bbl size tankers. Panamanian or whatever flag of convenience, crew that doesn't talk to people or even know or care where they are hauling stuff, etc., will get you as much jet fuel as you want anywhere you want in the world. Pull up to this dock and offload into a waiting tanker truck. Wait for the truck to come back and fill it again.
What about the guy on the oil rig that saw a big jet going down in flames? Or the guys in the fishing boat that say they saw a big jet buzz them at 1K ft?
Gary
Reader
3/14/14 12:34 p.m.
Remember the stabbings at the Kunming train station a couple weeks ago? That was China’s first terrorist attack and that incident is now called China’s 9/11 although that’s just symbolic. Check out “Uyghur separatists.” The news descriptions associated with them in print are mainly as separatists, minority group, oppressed, ethnic, etc. You’d be hard pressed to find out what ethnic group they’re actually in. Only the boldest reports will use the not-politically-correct M word. They’re from the Western China province of Xinjiang and have a major bone to pick with the Chinese Government. The Kunming train station attack was only the first. They will no doubt be heard from again, and the next time with assistance and more sophistication.
C4-laden 777 Tiananmen Square?
Dr. Hess wrote:
Getting a plane load of JP5 or whatever those use is pretty easy. You know how many little pocket tankers (ships) there are? A bunch, not to mention regular 2-300K bbl size tankers. Panamanian or whatever flag of convenience, crew that doesn't talk to people or even know or care where they are hauling stuff, etc., will get you as much jet fuel as you want anywhere you want in the world. Pull up to this dock and offload into a waiting tanker truck. Wait for the truck to come back and fill it again.
What about the guy on the oil rig that saw a big jet going down in flames? Or the guys in the fishing boat that say they saw a big jet buzz them at 1K ft?
I am definitely no tin foil hat 9/11 conspiracy theorist, but some of the info coming out just sounds crazy. I remember playing an old military flight simulator where you had to fly under 800 feet to stay off of radar.
I really hope it is just drawing straws.
Dr. Hess wrote:
What about the guy on the oil rig that saw a big jet going down in flames? Or the guys in the fishing boat that say they saw a big jet buzz them at 1K ft?
Those statements were made before the govt could tell those witnesses NOT to talk to the press and are therefore not credible.
Anti-stance wrote:
I remember playing an old military flight simulator where you had to fly under 800 feet to stay off of radar.
From what I hear, and I will leave it at that, it is not that simple. Military aircraft are equipped with equipment that can help them stay out of radar reach. Over the ocean, I can imagine it is easier, though.
N, I just read ZH, Fox and WND for my news sources. Here's an article on ZH: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-14/missing-malaysian-flight-hijacking-sabotage-theories-added-mix
that mentions the oil rig guy. I saw mention of the fishing boat guys in a different article. Flying over ocean at 1K ft would probably put you under the RADAR for just about any land based RADAR system, I would think, but I'm not an aviation expert. I do know a bit of RADAR, and the radio horizon is a bit beyond the regular horizon, and you can do teh maths on radio horizon on microwaves at 1K ft target and say 150ft transceiver. If I had to GUESS, without doing teh maths, I would GUESS that would be in the 50 mile range for a RADAR return. 100 on the outside. So if there's no RADAR station within that 50 mile GUESS range, no signal. Over the horizon RADAR and satellites would change that, of course, but I don't think anyone has a serious over the horizon RADAR system going on too much right now besides the one in Alaska, and I would doubt there would be one down in the Malaysia area anyway. But that's why if you fly tree/wave top height you are "under the RADAR."
yamaha
UltimaDork
3/14/14 12:56 p.m.
In reply to N Sperlo:
Remember the soviet "Woodpecker" That was allegedly to be an OTH(Over the Horizon)early detection array.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Woodpecker
Otherwise, my understanding is that if it isn't within range over the ocean, its not detected until it reaches another radar unit's range.
yamaha wrote:
In reply to N Sperlo:
Remember the soviet "Woodpecker" That was allegedly to be an OTH(Over the Horizon)early detection array.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Woodpecker
Otherwise, my understanding is that if it isn't within range over the ocean, its not detected until it reaches another radar unit's range.
I wasn't a radio operator at the age of 3, so no.
That was my point, though. They wouldn't have to worry about any radar until they were close, but at that point, staying "low enough" may have been more complicated.
Someone in China has it to reverse engineer their own 777
yamaha
UltimaDork
3/14/14 1:12 p.m.
In reply to itsarebuild:
Nah, they'll probably blame the "Evil West" for building the 777 in the first place
I remember the woodpecker. It was bad, especially on 20M.
Can't we just pull the sat film from a few minutes before, zoom in on the plane, then zero in on the camera, triangulate cell phone signals and google glass video from inside it? I'm positive we should be able to identify the location in a just few minutes at Tony Stark's house. Where is that laptop they use in Mission Impossible? That has access to all the data.
Gary
Reader
3/14/14 3:00 p.m.
This oughtta get to the bottom of it...
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-26564562
yamaha
UltimaDork
3/14/14 3:00 p.m.
In reply to N Sperlo:
Oh just print the damn thing!