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former520
former520 Reader
12/5/15 2:13 p.m.

The best car of your birth had me looking at the 930 Slant nose. One of my all time favorites. Many of the other classic sports cars utilized the pop up headlights, some better than others.

Do you think that we will ever see such a thing again or is it all going to become tiny slits of LED on otherwise bland/ overstyled front ends?

SnowMongoose
SnowMongoose Dork
12/5/15 2:21 p.m.

Thanks to pedestrian safety issues, I doubt it.
Situationally cool but not always ideal.

novaderrik
novaderrik UltimaDork
12/5/15 2:42 p.m.

they can make good looking cars look completely fugly with the flip of a switch... plus they kill the aero when up..

so, no, pop up headlights should never, ever make a return.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 PowerDork
12/5/15 2:54 p.m.

I really like them, but they will never return. I will enjoy them as long as I own my FC, which is likely forever.

ncjay
ncjay Dork
12/5/15 3:20 p.m.

Like previously mentioned, aerodynamic requirements alone would kill the thought of any auto manufacturer ever using them again. Not to mention the extra weight and space required to make them operational.

wheelsmithy
wheelsmithy GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
12/5/15 4:13 p.m.

Nostalgia, like that for wing windows, or cars that don't have back-up cameras, anyone?

Sine_Qua_Non
Sine_Qua_Non Dork
12/5/15 4:14 p.m.

No. They suck and never work for long

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
12/5/15 4:18 p.m.

Ahh nostalgia. To demonstrate here's a conversation I had with my dad recently.

Dad: They don't make cars like they used to.. The 50's had the best cars, they were built out of such solid steel.

Me: Ohh.. How often did you have to replace the wheel bearings on those cars with superior steel?

Dad: Well you had to repack them reguarlly..

Me: On the 9 Honda accords you have owned since 1986, have you ever replaced or repacked a wheel bearing?

Dad: no... but the paint on the 50's cars was so thick?

Me: Yes.. it was good, but it also ate the lungs of those spraying it...

Dad: But the cars were so easy to work on?

Me: because you had to constantly. Adjust brakes? Tune-ups? Carb adjustments if you gain too much altitude?

Dad: ok, I get it.

Wall-e
Wall-e GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/5/15 7:33 p.m.

In reply to Fueled by Caffeine:

My father is the opposite. They day he could stop carrying a set of points in the glove box was like being a kid on Christmas morning.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/5/15 9:01 p.m.

some cars it did not muck up the aero. Supposedly the BMW 8 series the lights were far enough back and low enough that up or down, they did not change the aero of the car.

And as much as I like flip up lights... just remember that the Bugeye sprite was supposed to have flip up lights

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/5/15 9:26 p.m.

They are on at night. It is dark. You don't see the ugliness.

codrus
codrus GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/5/15 9:38 p.m.

I agree that pop-up lights are cool, but the problem they were invented to solve (making a car look sleek and fast while still using DOT-mandated sealed beam headlights) doesn't exist any more. In addition to failing pedestrian safety standards they also hurt fuel economy and with the current regs that would kill them by itself.

Brian
Brian MegaDork
12/5/15 9:39 p.m.

I miss them, but I have no delusions about a return.

Basil Exposition
Basil Exposition Dork
12/5/15 10:04 p.m.

Left my '86 Accord at the airport for a week. Mouse chewed through some wiring shorting the motor that flipped up the left headlight. Apparently the light cycled up and down for several days until the battery ran down.

We had a C5, which were notorious for stripping a little fiber gear that raised the headlight. So much so that someone sold a kit with steel replacement gears.

So, no, not interested.

jamscal
jamscal Dork
12/5/15 10:11 p.m.

Awesome: C4 corvette 928 Porsche

Good: fb rx-7 ...and almost anything with round pop ups

Poor: 82-92 Firebird

^^^from a 'looks cool when up' or 'cool mechanism' perspective.

Stefan (Not Bruce)
Stefan (Not Bruce) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/5/15 11:22 p.m.

Dad had an Elan with vacuum operated pop-ups.

Kind of a PITA at night when you're at WOT and the lights would drop as the vacuum signal would go away.

dropstep
dropstep HalfDork
12/5/15 11:46 p.m.

i hope not, i was always happy that the foxbody didnt have to suffer with them.

nutherjrfan
nutherjrfan HalfDork
12/6/15 2:35 a.m.

my 85 200sx looked good but yes one didn't work.

Will
Will SuperDork
12/6/15 1:40 p.m.

If it means a return to cars that look like this, I sure hope so.

Lancer007
Lancer007 Dork
12/6/15 1:57 p.m.

Friends of mine have done HID conversions to a 951, FD RX-7 and a 2nd gen MR-2 so the light only pops up a couple inches to expose the bulb and it looks really good. Probably doesn't muck the aero too too much

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic UltimaDork
12/6/15 3:04 p.m.
wheelsmithy wrote: Nostalgia, like that for wing windows, or cars that don't have back-up cameras, anyone?

Vent windows were actually useful, whereas pop up headlights were just a solution to a styling choice.

Brian
Brian MegaDork
12/6/15 4:35 p.m.

On a similar note, I would think the last 3 cars with them was the C5, 4th gen Firebird, and NA Miata. At least American market. Am I correct?

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/6/15 4:53 p.m.

BMW E31 ran until 1999 with pop ups

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
12/6/15 5:14 p.m.

Lotus Esprit had pop-ups until 2004.

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
12/6/15 6:30 p.m.

i love them on the c4, the rotation is way cooler than just popping up.

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