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MaxC
MaxC Reader
1/3/23 10:38 p.m.

I eluded to this purchase in my race car build thread, but thought it would be more appropriate in this sub-forum. https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/build-projects-and-project-cars/1988-nissan-200sx-se-v6-endurance-race-car/179200/page1/

As the title states, I have fulfilled a lifelong dream of owning a lift in my home garage.  Before becoming an engineer I was a Master Technician for Nissan, and was never without a lift for 10 years.  For the past 8 years, I have been working on jack stands, and hated almost every second of working under the car. Been eyeballing lifts for a long time now and finally pulled the trigger. Being in a residential garage (over sized 2 car), I definitely have some limitations, and every lift choice is full of compromises. 

2-post would have been preferred because I think they're superior for service work. Unfortunately, no full height 2 posts are even installable in my garage due to ceiling height. Additionally one would probably require saw cutting/adding/reinforcing concrete to meet the minimum thickness requirement that often isn't present in a residential garage. 2-posts also use up the most width right where you need it most (where you open car doors), and would make parking my wifes car next to it very difficult. 

Mid-rise lifts.  Quickjack, Maxjax, and mid-rise scissor lifts are all pretty cool. Quickjack isn't much taller than jack stands, but is very portable. Maxjax are less portable, nearly the cost of a real 2 post, and would also require reinforced concrete. Mid-rise scissor lifts are awesome, but block transmission and exhaust work, and would never be able to stack cars. Ultimately I didn't like the trade offs of any of the mid-rise options.

4-post is definitely the biggest, heaviest, and unfortunately the most expensive.  In my garage the ceiling height unfortunately is not high enough to stack cars (8'-9"). If I planned to stay in this house longer, I would invest in re-framing in the attic and raising the ceiling a foot or so. Hopefully the next place I move will have a taller garage ceiling.  Considering I'll take the lift to the next house I live in, I didn't take the inability to stack cars as a knock for the 4-post. 4-post seems to be the safest option, best for storage, still allows for transmission and exhaust work, and can work for wheel-off work with a bit extra hassle.  4-post lifts are also movable on the included caster set. Being able to move the lift is a huge bonus. Ultimately I was sold on the 4 post because of these reasons, and the acceptable trade-offs. 

Once I landed on the 4-post, I then had to sort through about 8-10 different brands that appear to all be made in China of very similar construction. I'd have liked to get a high-quality brand like challenger, rotary, wildfire, advantage, etc... but the cost of these lifts was $2000-3000 more for the same thing. At those prices, I would not be in the market, unfortunately. One reeeeeeeeally crappy thing is that apparently the cost of all lifts went up by about $1000 each in just the last year alone.  That's unfortunate. Of all the Chinese brands, Triumph cost about the same as the rest but shipped for free, came with casters, jack tray, and drip pans. It also came with aluminum ramps, which were extra on the other lifts and about 40lbs less than the steel ramps. I couldn't find anything better about any of the other Chinese brands so settled on that one. It's the Triumph NSS-8, 8,000 lb lift, standard size. There is a compact version of this and an XLT version that both cost a few hundred more.  Bought it from Mechanic's Superstore. They were good to deal with, but the lift took about a month longer than their estimate. That didn't bother me. 

Unloading was a bear. The one runway with the hydraulic cylinder is so heavy that its very sketchy to try and pick up with two people. I couldn't have done this by myself and without a cherry picker. We had to disassemble it on the trailer and take it one piece at a time. My drive way is sloped. I also opted not to have it delivered to my house because it costs money.

Here it is in my garage in pieces. 

Here's my daughter worrying that I'm going to hurt myself. She's not wrong. This is sketchy. Highly recommend a second person and a cherry picker. I just had my cherry picker and my wife and daughter to watch me, comment about the danger, worry, and be there in case I need an ambulance called. 

Thankfully once bolted together, the danger decreases dramatically.

Then ran the cables, installed the locks, and ran the hydraulic line. Herein lies the two poor quality issues I ran into.  The holes for the lock shaft didn't line up between the crossmember and the runway. I had to drill one new hole in the runway, not a huge problem. The bigger problem was that the 14mm X 6an adapter that they sent me was totally wrong. 14mm did not thread into the pump, too big. A few trips to the hydraulic supply store and I found something that threaded in smoothly, which was British thread (why? I have no idea). The thing fit together but once the hose is screwed on, it slowly drips fluid upon operation.  I'm going to give the place I bought it a chance to correct this... I've heard they're good about sending replacement parts on lifts that have issues so we'll see what happens. Not going to knock them for this just yet, but be aware if you buy a lift like this you may run into some quality control issues that are frustrating. 

Bam, there it is. Here goes nothing!

SUCCESS!!!!

Next day I assembled the casters, and rolled the lift forward 1 foot, so that my ramps would clear the garage door. Then I flipped the race car around backwards to see if I could get the car all the way up and not interfere with the garage door operation. It worked. 

Just ordered a 30ft long LED strip light that I plan to line the runways with so that I can actually see something under the lift, then... I'm going to pull the transmission on the race car... NOT on jack stands, for the first time. 

SkinnyG (Forum Supporter)
SkinnyG (Forum Supporter) PowerDork
1/4/23 12:06 a.m.

Looks like this year is going to be awesome after all!

Congratulations!!

Apexcarver
Apexcarver UltimaDork
1/4/23 8:19 a.m.

I have a 4 post and its been pretty great. I did just order a bridge jack for it to make it a bit easier to do suspension work. 

 

Probably more an issue for me because I store cars stacked with it when not working on something, but I trimmed some cardboard boxes to line the ramps with because I kept hitting my head on them. Took it from "is my head bleeding?" to soft bonk. I just keep them on the ramps held on with ducttape. 

TJL (Forum Supporter)
TJL (Forum Supporter) Dork
1/4/23 8:52 a.m.

I love my quickjack, but a 4 post drive on with bridge jacks is the ultimate lift to me. Well done. Also, im a long time nissan freak so im glad to see a nissan master tech here. 
 

is it "portable"? Like can you skeet it under the door clearance and use it in your driveway? That would be awesome. Especially for cleaning things up on the underside of a vehicle. 

Karacticus
Karacticus GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/4/23 10:30 a.m.
Apexcarver said:

I have a 4 post and its been pretty great. I did just order a bridge jack for it to make it a bit easier to do suspension work. 

 

Probably more an issue for me because I store cars stacked with it when not working on something, but I trimmed some cardboard boxes to line the ramps with because I kept hitting my head on them. Took it from "is my head bleeding?" to soft bonk. I just keep them on the ramps held on with ducttape. 

Pool noodles can also be repurposed to make pretty good "anti-bonk" devices. 

MaxC
MaxC Reader
1/4/23 12:12 p.m.

Thanks SkinnyG & ApexCarver! I really want to buy a bridge jack, but they all seem to be $1000+, so that will have to wait a little while... But without one it will be pretty annoying working on things with wheels off. I was hoping there would be some plastic trim pieces I could find to line the ramps. They are mega sharp!

MaxC
MaxC Reader
1/4/23 12:16 p.m.
TJL (Forum Supporter) said:

I love my quickjack, but a 4 post drive on with bridge jacks is the ultimate lift to me. Well done. Also, im a long time nissan freak so im glad to see a nissan master tech here. 
 

is it "portable"? Like can you skeet it under the door clearance and use it in your driveway? That would be awesome. Especially for cleaning things up on the underside of a vehicle. 

Quickjacks are cool. I especially like that they can be taken to the track if needed. Yes I'm a bit of a Nissan fanatic to a fault sometimes. No one else would race a 200sx SE V6 I don't think. I look at what Nissan is making today and wonder why I still like them so much lol. But I thought that way when I was still working for them sometimes, replacing CVT after CVT. 

Yes it's quite portable. You can set the lift down on the casters and roll it around wherever you want. I can't move it out of my garage because my driveway is quite sloped... unfortunately. But yes, if you had a flat driveway you could roll it outside and use it to pressure wash under the car or whatever you want.

MaxC
MaxC Reader
1/4/23 12:18 p.m.
Karacticus said:

Pool noodles can also be repurposed to make pretty good "anti-bonk" devices. 

Good call. While those doors are extremely awesome, that's quite an inconvenient opening direction for storing under a lift! 

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/4/23 1:28 p.m.

I've been shopping 4-post lifts too. The Triumph does seem to be the best price point. I got a quote from a (relatively) local dealer on an AMGO, thinking it was roughly equivalent pricewise, but then you add $600 for the accessories and $800 for delivery and install. :(

Please share updates as you start using it regularly!

MaxC
MaxC Reader
1/4/23 2:45 p.m.
dyintorace said:

I've been shopping 4-post lifts too. The Triumph does seem to be the best price point. I got a quote from a (relatively) local dealer on an AMGO, thinking it was roughly equivalent pricewise, but then you add $600 for the accessories and $800 for delivery and install. :(

Please share updates as you start using it regularly!

Yeah that stuff add's up quick! Wish I could comment on the quality difference between Amgo, Triumph, Tuxedo, etc...To me they all looked like the exact same product but re-branded. I could be wrong. You can save on installation if you have help... but it's also definitely worth the money you pay someone to do it for you. 

I will update this thread from time to time!

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
1/4/23 4:03 p.m.
dyintorace said:

It's crazy to think about paying $75k for that truck, much less $113k!

wrong thread ;) but I sold mine for 127K to a sucker in SC 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
1/4/23 4:04 p.m.

Back to the thread = my dream is to own a lift so I can stack cars. Roof is too low, SIGH. Living vicariously through you.

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/4/23 4:17 p.m.
mr2s2000elise said:
dyintorace said:

It's crazy to think about paying $75k for that truck, much less $113k!

wrong thread ;)

I realized that about the same time you did :D

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/4/23 4:18 p.m.
MaxC said:
dyintorace said:

I've been shopping 4-post lifts too. The Triumph does seem to be the best price point. I got a quote from a (relatively) local dealer on an AMGO, thinking it was roughly equivalent pricewise, but then you add $600 for the accessories and $800 for delivery and install. :(

Please share updates as you start using it regularly!

Yeah that stuff add's up quick! Wish I could comment on the quality difference between Amgo, Triumph, Tuxedo, etc...To me they all looked like the exact same product but re-branded. I could be wrong. You can save on installation if you have help... but it's also definitely worth the money you pay someone to do it for you. 

I will update this thread from time to time!

It feels like mattress shopping somewhat in that it seems nearly impossible to actually compare all of the various lifts!

Matt B (fs)
Matt B (fs) UltraDork
1/4/23 4:27 p.m.

This thread is timely for me. Seriously considering one of these during the next year if I can get it to fit.  I also have low ceilings so it's helpful to see how you made it all work.

docwyte
docwyte PowerDork
1/4/23 6:39 p.m.

Love my 4 post.  Highly recommend you buying a bridge jack, or two. 

californiamilleghia
californiamilleghia UltraDork
1/4/23 8:07 p.m.

If you are buying a used lift check the build date , 

if you are using it in a shop  your insurance may not like it if it's too old , 

My friend just got notice that his was too old ( built 2002 ) 

 

MaxC
MaxC Reader
1/5/23 12:59 p.m.
mr2s2000elise said:

Back to the thread = my dream is to own a lift so I can stack cars. Roof is too low, SIGH. Living vicariously through you.

Dang. Not sure what your limitations are exactly. Is it your garage ceiling, or the actual roof that's too low? Sometimes there's options... I have a friend who framed in a high spot in his garage ceiling so that the car could raise up higher. It was just attic above. This is how my house is, and if I didn't think I'd be moving in the next couple of years, I would definitely invest in something like this. 

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MaxC
MaxC Reader
1/5/23 1:08 p.m.
dyintorace said:
MaxC said:
dyintorace said:

I've been shopping 4-post lifts too. The Triumph does seem to be the best price point. I got a quote from a (relatively) local dealer on an AMGO, thinking it was roughly equivalent pricewise, but then you add $600 for the accessories and $800 for delivery and install. :(

Please share updates as you start using it regularly!

Yeah that stuff add's up quick! Wish I could comment on the quality difference between Amgo, Triumph, Tuxedo, etc...To me they all looked like the exact same product but re-branded. I could be wrong. You can save on installation if you have help... but it's also definitely worth the money you pay someone to do it for you. 

I will update this thread from time to time!

It feels like mattress shopping somewhat in that it seems nearly impossible to actually compare all of the various lifts!

It's true, and the crappy part is that you don't get to see the one you're buying until you pay your money, wait a couple months, and put it together!

MaxC
MaxC Reader
1/5/23 1:12 p.m.
Matt B (fs) said:

This thread is timely for me. Seriously considering one of these during the next year if I can get it to fit.  I also have low ceilings so it's helpful to see how you made it all work.

It was a big help to actually map out how it's going to sit in the garage. Like a nerd, I actually surveyed the garage, measured my wife's car, and drew everything to scale. This gave me more confidence in the decision, especially knowing that the lift doesn't have to be anchored and can be shifted around slightly on casters. 

MaxC
MaxC Reader
1/5/23 1:14 p.m.
docwyte said:

Love my 4 post.  Highly recommend you buying a bridge jack, or two. 

Agree 1000%. When I have the money I will, for sure. This "jack tray" doesn't look like the best solution. 

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/5/23 4:25 p.m.

I'm looking at the Triumph NSS-8XLT and the AMGO 408-HP.

The former is $3795 and includes the normal accessories and free shipping, with a 1 year parts warranty but no labor.

The latter is $3790, without accessories or shipping, but comes with a five-year warranty on steel components, three-year warranty on hydraulic parts and two years on electrical components. So closer to $5200 with accessories and shipping (which includes set up).

Not sure how to proceed. :(

Matt B (fs)
Matt B (fs) UltraDork
1/5/23 4:32 p.m.
MaxC said:
Matt B (fs) said:

This thread is timely for me. Seriously considering one of these during the next year if I can get it to fit.  I also have low ceilings so it's helpful to see how you made it all work.

It was a big help to actually map out how it's going to sit in the garage. Like a nerd, I actually surveyed the garage, measured my wife's car, and drew everything to scale. This gave me more confidence in the decision, especially knowing that the lift doesn't have to be anchored and can be shifted around slightly on casters. 

It's nice the casters are included and not an additional few hundred like some models.  As a bonus, your model has a lower height and a wider drive-through width than the Bendpak HD-9 I was looking at.  The Triumph wasn't on my radar until now, so hats off.

As far as measuring to scale, I'm your kind of nerd.

I'm going to need a cut-out or vaulted ceiling to even stack two shorty cars comfortably.

MaxC
MaxC Reader
1/5/23 4:47 p.m.
dyintorace said:

I'm looking at the Triumph NSS-8XLT and the AMGO 408-HP.

The former is $3795 and includes the normal accessories and free shipping, with a 1 year parts warranty but no labor.

The latter is $3790, without accessories or shipping, but comes with a five-year warranty on steel components, three-year warranty on hydraulic parts and two years on electrical components. So closer to $5200 with accessories and shipping (which includes set up).

Not sure how to proceed. :(

Have you watched any youtube review videos for each of these lifts? It looks like you're wanting the next size up from the base model lifts, correct? I'm not sure about AMGO, it looks decent enough, maybe even better than my triumph in some areas (the lock release looks higher quality for example). But it's really hard to tell these things in pictures before it gets to your house. The Triumph looks awesome in the pictures, but some of the quality control things I found in person is laughable, and I'm pessimistic enough to believe that it might be the same way with all lifts of a similar price point. The fact is though, the lift is made of a metric butt-load of steel, has safety locks, and hydraulics strong enough to lift a car.

I think the real differences between those lifts are: Do you want a longer warranty or not? Do you want to set it up yourself or not?

If you're going to spend $5200, you may look at the next level up in quality: Bendpack, Advantage, Wildfire, Challenger, etc. Bendpack HD-9XL is only $5265 with free shipping, but accessories are extra.

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/5/23 5:59 p.m.
MaxC said:
dyintorace said:

I'm looking at the Triumph NSS-8XLT and the AMGO 408-HP.

The former is $3795 and includes the normal accessories and free shipping, with a 1 year parts warranty but no labor.

The latter is $3790, without accessories or shipping, but comes with a five-year warranty on steel components, three-year warranty on hydraulic parts and two years on electrical components. So closer to $5200 with accessories and shipping (which includes set up).

Not sure how to proceed. :(

Have you watched any youtube review videos for each of these lifts? It looks like you're wanting the next size up from the base model lifts, correct? I'm not sure about AMGO, it looks decent enough, maybe even better than my triumph in some areas (the lock release looks higher quality for example). But it's really hard to tell these things in pictures before it gets to your house. The Triumph looks awesome in the pictures, but some of the quality control things I found in person is laughable, and I'm pessimistic enough to believe that it might be the same way with all lifts of a similar price point. The fact is though, the lift is made of a metric butt-load of steel, has safety locks, and hydraulics strong enough to lift a car.

I think the real differences between those lifts are: Do you want a longer warranty or not? Do you want to set it up yourself or not?

If you're going to spend $5200, you may look at the next level up in quality: Bendpack, Advantage, Wildfire, Challenger, etc. Bendpack HD-9XL is only $5265 with free shipping, but accessories are extra.

That's correct. I want enough drive under height to be able to park my SUV (70"). Most of the standard height models go to 69". :(

Good idea on looking for YT reviews. I'll do that!

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