Today’s Hot Message Board Topic: Replacing Fuel Injection With SU Carburetors

David S.
By David S. Wallens
Aug 2, 2019 | Miata

Photo courtesy Norman Garrett

Ever think about replacing the factory fuel injection with some classic SU carburetors? Well, you have come to the right place.

One of our message board regulars had that same question, and we know a guy who did that very swap: Norman Garrett, one of the main engineers on the original Miata. We pinged Norman, and he explained the swap on the board.

Happy motoring.

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Comments
Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson MegaDork
8/2/19 1:08 p.m.

I've often thought a set up like the pic above would be the perfect swap for an MGB.  Especially if you sourced one of the square, ribbed rocker covers from and Escort or Protege, then mill off the words and replace with the classic MG Octagon.  

Knurled.
Knurled. GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/2/19 1:15 p.m.

In reply to Adrian_Thompson :

like it!!

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson MegaDork
8/2/19 1:51 p.m.

In reply to Knurled. :

It gets better.  My ultimate fantasy, scrub that, let's call it a daydream instead!  Anyway, my 'daydream' was to use the SU dash pot dome to hid an injector and use MS to run it so it looks like carbs, but is in fact FI.  Not sure how MS would like only two injectors running split port intakes thought.  

Stefan
Stefan GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/2/19 2:27 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson said:

In reply to Knurled. :

It gets better.  My ultimate fantasy, scrub that, let's call it a daydream instead!  Anyway, my 'daydream' was to use the SU dash pot dome to hid an injector and use MS to run it so it looks like carbs, but is in fact FI.  Not sure how MS would like only two injectors running split port intakes thought.  

Eh, it wouldn't care.  It would be like dual TBI units or a single ITB feeding a 4-cylinder.  Things just don't happen that quickly on a domestic motor where the timing of that would make a noticeable difference on that type of fuel injection. 

Knurled.
Knurled. GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/2/19 2:34 p.m.

MS wouldn't be able to do it, not without custom code, and I don't know how well it would work.  You'd either starve the second cylinder in the firing order or overfuel the first, or maybe vice-versa.  

 

I know Subaru didn't bother trying to do port efi with single port engines.  The XT and Turbo EA82s had two intake ports per head.

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
8/2/19 2:38 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson said:

In reply to Knurled. :

It gets better.  My ultimate fantasy, scrub that, let's call it a daydream instead!  Anyway, my 'daydream' was to use the SU dash pot dome to hid an injector and use MS to run it so it looks like carbs, but is in fact FI.  Not sure how MS would like only two injectors running split port intakes thought.  

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68TR250
68TR250 Reader
8/2/19 2:43 p.m.

In reply to Adrian_Thompson :

Hiding FI injection inside SU bodies has been done on a '75 TR6.  I believe it was Rick Patton that did it.   I believe he also supplied the setup to Bob Danielson.

http://pattonmachine.com/TBI-Main.htm

http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/index.htm

 

ShawnG
ShawnG PowerDork
8/2/19 3:29 p.m.

For the full British Car Experience, why not just use bits of the Lucas fuel injection from a TR5? cheeky

 

buzzboy
buzzboy HalfDork
8/2/19 3:38 p.m.

I researched it a lot, adding two SUs with injectors to a 4 cylinder, thinking about doing my B20 that way. Either you need a trick manifold, which do exist for some applications, or use the SUs as throttle bodies and add port injectors.

Foxworx
Foxworx Reader
8/2/19 9:00 p.m.

This seems like fun if you hadn't earlier in life contemplated self harm after having to actually deal with SU carbs on a regular basis.

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