With the latest Civic Type R, Honda ups the hot hatch ante yet again

J.G.
By J.G. Pasterjak
Oct 16, 2024 | Civic, type R, Civic Type R, Track Test | Posted in Features | From the May 2024 issue | Never miss an article

Photography Credit: Chris Tropea

Don’t flip ahead. We know you really just want to jump to the lap time on the newest Honda Civic Type R, but trust us: Take the ride first.

Yeah, lap times are important and, in the case of the most recent iteration of the hottest Civic, impressive, but they don’t tell the whole story. So before you peek at the numbers, indulge us to have a conversation about this car, because ultimately the most interesting part of the Type R conversation isn’t whether it’s faster or slower than the previous one, but just how different it feels.

By the numbers, the newest, FL5-chassis Civic Type R is not much of a departure from the FK8 model it replaces. This sixth-generation Type R–well, it’s the sixth generation of Type R variants, but it’s based on the 11th generation of Civics, so you may hear either signifier used in conversation–has 1.4 inches more wheelbase, 1.4 inches more overall length, half an inch more width, and 1.2 inches less height than the previous model. Those differences represent fractions of a percent when compared to the overall numbers, but how they translate to the feel of the cars is dramatic.

Honda also lowered the base of the windshield pillars and moved them rearward by nearly 2 inches, and the overall effect of these subtle adjustments changes the feel of the Civic Type R from a capable but top-heavy front-drive car to that of a low-slung GT


Perhaps the biggest change between the current Civic Type R and the outgoing one: a lower seating position that reminds us more of a GT coupe than an upright hot hatch. Photograph Courtesy Honda

It’s truly dramatic how much the presence of the Type R has changed from behind the wheel. Honda’s subtle reworking of the architecture feels like it substantially lowered the center of mass and moved it rearward, bringing the rear wheels fully into the conversation as things that provide grip and traction instead of just keeping the gas tank from making sparks on the ground. The driving position is a first for a Civic–you very much sit “in” the car instead of “on” it–and the whole experience is far more reminiscent of a European GT than an Asian hot hatch.

Thankfully, the car’s still hot and there’s still a hatch. It’s a Honda Civic, after all, and the rear opens up to reveal a wagon-like 25-plus cubic feet of cargo space, while the 315-horsepower engine ensures that you’ll be the first one to the next garage sale to fill that way-back with bargains. The engine is basically a carryover from the previous 306-horsepower version, but a different turbocharger and tuning bump the peak power a bit. 


Photograph Courtesy Honda

The six-speed transmission has one of the best shifters we’ve ever felt, period, front-drive or otherwise, and while we know that a DCT would likely lower lap times even more, the shift action is so slick and precise that we’re not in a hurry to lose this additional bit of delightful mechanical complication for a few tenths of a second. 

The cockpit of the newest Type R is maybe one of the most surprising elements of the update. Honda ergonomics have always been good but rarely great. They were good enough to pilot fast Civics in a rapid manner, but they never shed their econobox DNA enough to feel like true ground-up sports cars. 

The FL5 Type R resets that notion, though, and puts all of the main driving controls in the ideal spots for performance work. The Type R’s seat bolsters are a little aggressive for frequent in-and-out use–doing multiple-stop errands can become a chore after the fourth or fifth task–but as a track machine or long-distance cruiser, the Civic R has opened a new chapter in its history. 

The seating position is lower, more reclined, provides lots of support, and allows engagement of lots of your body. More contact equals more feedback, right? 


Photograph Courtesy Honda

The wheel/shifter/pedal layout is as good as Honda has ever gotten it, and the relationship between the throws of the three pedals is greatly improved. The previous FK8 Civic Type R’s clutch pedal felt like it required a left leg 2 inches longer than the right one, and that issue is now in the past.

Of course, seating positions are a very personal thing, and your experience may vary, but what is undeniable is that the interior positioning and presence of the newest Type R has made a huge case for this model transitioning from a hotted-up economy car to a bona fide performance machine of its own provenance.

It’s Fast, Right?

Okay, you’ve listened long enough, so let’s get to the track time. That’s what you want, right? Yeah, it’s fast. Real fast. 

In fact, the 1:20.62 lap time around the Florida International Rally & Motorsport Park, our official test track, firmly put it at the top of the “hot hatch” pile, threatening to knock on the door of the legitimate sports car club. 

That time is more than a second faster than the bulk of its competition, including the Toyota GR Corolla, the Hyundai N models and, yes, the previous FK8 Civic Type R. The Volkswagen Golf R comes closest on the lap chart–still six-tenths behind the new Type R, though, and greatly assisted by its prodigious all-wheel-drive thrust and powerful turbocharged engine.

As we’re always quick to point out, though, lap times don’t tell the whole story. And oddly enough, our VBox data doesn’t fill in the entire narrative in this case, either, because the true surprise of the new Civic Type R is the feel on track. 


1. The red speed trace follows the current Type R around our test track, while the blue one logs the previous model. It’s pretty apparent in this third-gear acceleration zone that the newer car is leveraging its additional rated horsepower and turning it into more thrust through that gear. 2. The latest Type R also has a fractionally longer wheelbase, which could be part of this more aggressive braking trace. The newer car loses speed at a greater rate than the old car, as evidenced by the steeper descending speed trace. 3. Speed through corners is close enough that we’ll call it a tie. The older car is even marginally faster across a couple apexes. At any rate, it’s giving up very little absolute grip to its replacement, even if the new car feels more stable generating that grip.

As we alluded to before, all four tires are deeply involved in the effort here, which means less relative work being done by the fronts. And that means less understeer, better response and simply less work to be done to get the most potential out of the front tires. When we gave our previous FK8 Civic TypeR back to Honda after just a few hot laps, the front tires showed some wear. They were clearly doing a substantial share of the total work, and the driving style it demanded reflected that. All you could do was take the fronts to their limit, wait for them to comply, then get back to full throttle.

In the newest Type R, all the control systems are available to affect the cornering attitude of the car at both ends. Yeah, more throttle generally brings more understeer, but setting the slip angle on the rear tires is on the table now, with well-timed lifts and aggressive corner entries. This shows up in the data trace in a few instances as more stable speeds through long corners for the new car over the previous one. That’s because the newest Type R is simply easier to balance and better accepts subtle control inputs. 

Braking continues to be excellent, with 13.8-inch front and 12-inch rear discs squozen by four- and two-piston calipers, respectively. Our data recorded excellent braking on both generations of Civic Type R, but we did see a couple instances of more stable high-g deceleration from the newer car. Nothing dramatic, but this could be the work of a marginally longer wheelbase keeping that longitudinal weight transfer in check a bit more. 


Photography Credit: David S. Wallens

The biggest time gaps we saw between the FK8 Type R and the current FL5, however, were in third-gear acceleration. The new car simply comes off medium-speed corners more aggressively, and that’s giving it the most edge over the old model. Taking some of the cornering load away from the front tires has freed up capacity for acceleration load, it seems, and it’s paying off in reduced lap times. The newer car can simply get the power down earlier and stronger and get the thrust going in the right direction sooner.

Comparing the newest Type R to a more recent hot hatch fave, the Toyota GR Corolla, we can really see the Honda’s balanced handling make the difference. Acceleration for both the Civic and the GR are very similar–almost sitting directly on top of each other in many cases–but the Honda’s willingness to enter and negotiate medium-speed corners is clearly what makes the difference in lap times between it and the Corolla. 

This is backed up by the delta-T graph in VBox’s Circuit Tools, showing that the Honda gains its biggest advantages into and through third-gear corners. And that’s where the Toyota must slow even further to maintain stability on entry. The Honda’s newfound low center of gravity and sports car-like handling separate it from the top-heavy hatch–and the stopwatch notices. 

A New Era?


The Type R may be bigger than before, but it’s more stable than some of its competitors, too, especially the GR Corolla. The data simply shows that the Honda can maintain more speed through medium-speed corners. Photography Credit: David S. Wallens

The lap time alone is enough to put the Civic Type R on top of the hot hatch heap for now, but Honda’s redefinition of what a sporty compact car should feel like is the lead story here. 

Traditionally, hot hatches–and the Civic Type R in particular–have made their speed through brute force. They overcome their economy car architecture with massive power and stiff suspensions, pushing their front tires in pursuit of speed. 

The new Type R flips that script and turns the Civic into a GT, something that feels more like an M3 than a ’roided-out grocery getter. And it leverages that newfound refinement to produce some stunning performance.

Of course, the downside is that world-class performance and feel comes with a world-class price tag. Expect to pay north of $44,000 for a Civic Type R–if you can get it at sticker. And spoiler alert: You probably can’t. 

Those willing to open their wallets, however, will be rewarded with a car that performs as well or better than anything in its class, and does so while feeling very much like its own thing, not a hot version of a lesser car.

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Comments
Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
4/3/24 9:32 a.m.

Glad to hear Honda has, somehow, managed to make the Civic Type R even better than the last one.

Chris Tropea
Chris Tropea Associate Editor
4/3/24 9:33 a.m.

I did not drive the Type R on the track but on the road it was a really good daily driver. If I had to go out and buy a new car today it would be hard for me not to buy one. 

nsxmr2elises2000
nsxmr2elises2000 PowerDork
4/3/24 11:21 a.m.

honda fanboii forever 

GR is much more raw and better imho

CrashDummy
CrashDummy Reader
4/3/24 11:31 a.m.

1. Lap times aside, can you comment on how this car compares to the Elantra N? What are the big differences in performance driving and daily driving?

2. Do we have a sense of what it actually costs to buy one of these? Is Honda working on ramping up production to meet demand? 

gearheadE30
gearheadE30 Dork
4/3/24 11:59 a.m.

Saw my first example in person last week. It looks much classier than the previous generation. I really wish the hood extended all the way to the grille - that horizontal hood shut line across the front is extremely noticeable on that white car and it really stood out in person. Some kind of gold/bronze wheels on the one I saw, that was a massive improvement over the stock black ones. 

I was in my 924, which is a very small car. I parked between the Civic and a Charger. The Civic looked almost as big as the Charger, which surprised me more than it probably should have. 

Mezus
Mezus New Reader
4/3/24 1:01 p.m.

In reply to CrashDummy :

I test drove the new Type R and went with an Elantra N. I am very happy with my decision. I'll share some thoughts.

What I liked more about the type R: the shifter, the engine produced power more effortlessly, the hatch (for dog transport). 
 

What I didn't like about the type R: the red color seats are painfully loud, I think it looks like a 15 year old picked them, especially since the back don't match. I think they would age poorly. The suspension is too hard on its softest setting, making it unlivable. I don't like the thought of buying a car knowing that I have to replace a suspension controller to get livable ride. The car did not seem as customizable for drive settings. I did not think it was worth anywhere near the 56k that the dealer negotiated down to - at that price point I can get a much nicer car. 
 

What I liked about the Elantra N: The rear end felt more playful, it has tons of rear seat room. More compliant suspension, but still get very hard in hardest setting (maybe too hard for optimum lap times). Seems overall like a better daily driver. The warranty, and that the owner's manual discusses track setup. I can't think of a better value car. It's not nearly as flashy. More customizable drive settings. 
 

What I don't like about the Elantra N: It has some weird issue that makes it extremely difficult to drive off smoothly in 1st gear. I, and multiple experienced manual transmission drivers, have been unable to do it. You pretty much need to keep the revs up or it will stall. It doesn't have a garage door opener. The exhaust is too loud even on the quietest setting. Octane learning, not a hatch. Less aftermarket support (difficulty finding aftermarket wheels with the correct offset), smaller community tracking it. 

IKR
IKR New Reader
4/3/24 1:57 p.m.

Seems like a fantastic hot hatch.......but in my area one dealer wanted ~78K and the cheapest dealer had two, both priced around $62K. For me, once we start talking about that amount of money I'll spend that much plus whatever I need to get into the next class sports car. I do want a real test drive though!

300zxfreak
300zxfreak Reader
4/3/24 3:06 p.m.

Squozen ?

DavyZ
DavyZ New Reader
4/3/24 3:34 p.m.

The styling is much less JDM boy-racer than the previous versions, so I really like the more curvy-subtle approach in this go around.  Prices? Well....if the dealers are wanting way over sticker, I would be looking at alternatives too.  Even higher end used cars as well, especially between $60K-$70K.  Hmmm, what else could I buy for that much money? 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
4/3/24 4:36 p.m.
300zxfreak said:

Squozen ?

Perfectly cromulent word.

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