Quad4 CRX for sale (OH)

SVreX wrote: This breaks my heart. Come on, guys! Somebody's gotta take it!!

PLUS ONE!!! Seriously dudes, that's a smoking deal.

If i wasnt so poor it would already be (back) in my driveway.

Bueller, Bueller...

I may be getting a different car... a better RX-7 for rallycrossing (a real "WANNA B")... and if I get that then no space for the CRX.

Final bump before I start selling uninstalled parts (tires shocks, etc) after Thanksgiving

One last bump here - plus any uninstalled parts are up for sale separately now - if you're interested in anything, let me know. However, I'd really prefer not to ship...

If you weren't so far away I'd be very interested.

Bump Prices for parts are below (all parts are used) - pickup only for now:

Tokicos: $150

4 Used Falken rally tires 2 are mounted on 5X100 steel FWD GM rims, and 2 are mounted on 4X100 steel VW rims: $125

2 unmounted Michelin rally tires, I think they are medium compound: $50

2 Diamond Racing 13" wheels , 9" wide from outer lip to outer lip, 5X100 bolt pattern: $35

2 13" Alloy wheels. Marked 13X7, about 8" wide from outer lip to outer lip. Some sort of unilug pattern, but also been drilled for 4X100.

Pair of Eibach rear lowering springs for a 1st gen CRX: $50

What sizes are the rally tires?

oldopelguy wrote: What sizes are the rally tires?

The Falkens are 185/65R14 and the Michelins are marked 14/60-14, they're about the same size as the Falkens. If you'd be willing to pick up all 6, I'd sell for $150.

Yet another bump - the Tokicos are sold. I will sell the CRX and remaining parts for $500. Also, feel free to make offers on individual parts, especially wheels and tires - need money and space for for my current project, and they're taking too much space in my garage.

Hmm.. this might make an interesting Lemons car. Is the original fuel tank in there somewhere? Three gallons is really too small for Lemons.

dculberson wrote: Hmm.. this might make an interesting Lemons car. Is the original fuel tank in there somewhere? Three gallons is really too small for Lemons.

Its not in the original vehicle anymore, but its sitting in my garage, and goes with the car. Its been modified to feed from the drain plug, and you may want to "unmodify" it, since it had problems with starvation in hard left turns due to this.

I've got someone interested in the rally tires, so I might be able to work out an even better deal for you. I wouldn't mind keeping the fuel cell myself, also, but don't need to keep it.

Also, if it gets Lemons'd, I'm going to want to know, so I can get a chance to spectate if possible.

I'm going to have to think on it a few more days; I'm picking up another car Saturday and have to phase them in so my wife doesn't get spooked. (She's very understanding, but two junky cars in one weekend is a bit much, eh?)

Yoink! Didn't get the car today, CRX shall be mine, look for an email/pm.

Edit: oh, and it will be for Lemons.

Sad to see such a nice car get destroyed. But oh well, t'ain't mine and as hard as I'm trying, I can't get the cash scraped up.

noisycricket wrote: Sad to see such a nice car get destroyed. But oh well, t'ain't mine and as hard as I'm trying, I can't get the cash scraped up.

Since when is making a LeMons car out of a dormant CRX with a dead (swapped) engine destroying it? If I went to the second hand store and bought a pair of running shoes that needed shoe laces, put laces in them, and jogged with them, that would be destroying the shoes too huh?

Sheesh. We're talking a few hundred dollars for the car, this isn't a pristine showroom stock model or anything. I think it'd be great to see it out on a track, fulfilling its destiny as a racecar rather than rotting away quietly in somebody's yard. I tried to get some of my MI buddies to pick it up, as our LeMons Achieva SCX (with HO quad 4) shell is rusting away like crazy and we could combine the bottom end of this quad 4 with our top end to make a bad ass LeMons mobile...low weight and good handling of the Honda with the power of the Quad 4 (190 hp) and close ratio 5 speed Getrag gearbox would be a real hoot on the track!

Bryce

Bryce - you may want to talk to dculberson about the SCX - he may be interested in the 5 speed...

noisycricket - you know I'dve pretty much demolished this car over the course of a few years rallycrossing anyway - this way it gets another shot at glory much faster :)

Noisycricket - we're a pretty conservatively driving team. It's pretty unlikely to get destroyed. I plan to use it in more than one event for sure.

Bryce - I would absolutely be interested in some of the parts from your Achieva if you are interested in parting with them. I want to do a 5-speed swap - so need the transmission, shifter, linkage, clutch, clutch cylinder, flywheel, perhaps axles and may also need the head. The only problem is budget - I can't pay much and stay within the LeMons budget cap. I'm looking at a $400 Beretta GTZ locally that I could part out and recover most of the money from.. I can't really spend more than $100 or so on the parts I need. :-(

I know, I know, I know...

I like the little cars too much to subject them to cheap racing. And where I live, if a car that old still has things like floors, and edges on the fenders, it's restoration-worthy...

Now Bill and Ken's CRX, that would have made an awesome Lemons car! It wasn't as rusty as some of the cars I saw at the one in Toledo. Some of 'em had more money in angle iron to keep the floor attached to the sides than they did in roll cage tubing

Keep in mind this one had rust in the floor - it's just been patched. (hopefully!)

That's why the Luk motorsports people got it; the prior owner gave up when he couldn't put a cage in due to rusty mounting locations.

dculberson wrote: Noisycricket - we're a pretty conservatively driving team. It's pretty unlikely to get destroyed. I plan to use it in more than one event for sure. Bryce - I would absolutely be interested in some of the parts from your Achieva if you are interested in parting with them. I want to do a 5-speed swap - so need the transmission, shifter, linkage, clutch, clutch cylinder, flywheel, perhaps axles and may also need the head. The only problem is budget - I can't pay much and stay within the LeMons budget cap. I'm looking at a $400 Beretta GTZ locally that I could part out and recover most of the money from.. I can't really spend more than $100 or so on the parts I need. :-(

None of our stuff will be sold off, they've got a fleet of SCXs (two) that will continue keeping one on the road. These rusty HO quad 4 cars are worth much more in parts than they are whole, we got our SCXs (both with minor problems) for < $400 each and easily recovered that selling a few non-essential parts off like IDI covers, instrument clusters, bumper covers, etc. The original car is rusting horribly, however the latest "backup" car is in decent shape...good enough that I can't believe none of them are using it as a daily driver. Since you want to do a manual swap, I'd recommend getting a whole car anyway. FWIW, the manual trans has been a source of problems for us...broken internals early in our first race (we think we caused that one due to some shoddy repair work), broken shift cables in two races. The gear ratios are pretty good but the shift cables on these FWD cars haven't stood the test of time, they're all garbage now and new ones are rare and $$$. There's a team that's run a Cavalier wagon for several races (6 or 7 IIRC) with the TH125 3 speed auto and it's been very reliable for them from what I recall. Keep the trans full of fluid and cool and autos aren't so bad, I'm guessing they have set it up for manual shift to minimize shift frequency and perhaps firm up the shifts with a DIY shift kit, worth checking into on the Yahoo! LeMons group. The price is right and if it ain't broke, perhaps it's not worth swapping out your auto, just food for thought.

Whatever you do, if you buy a second car to make one good one, include it in your budget by selling off unnecessary parts. It really irks me when I see guys with a spare parts car at the race (driving or not) that donates parts to keep the car on the track but isn't included in the budget. We've always had spare parts second cars included in our $500 budget.

Good luck with the Q4...it's an awesome engine when it's running properly, but it's really tough to rebuild one on a LeMons budget. We would have LOVED to put in a new oil pump and fresh bearings into the used shortblock we used for the second race, but we couldn't afford it. Of course, tons of teams are doing that kind of stuff because "who's going to see" but we don't play that way. I'd rather do poorly playing by the rules than win knowing that I cheated! I'd be curious what the LeMons race weight is on the CRX, we can compare to our very stripped Achieva. The Achieva actually handled awesome before the struts blew out in the last race.

Bryce

Bryce, I'm on the LeMons mailing list. I would definitely include the cost of the parts car in the budget - but obviously would hope that selling off pieces would mostly recover the cost of the parts car. I'm not looking to cheat on the budget just like I'm not looking to be aggressive on track.

Thanks for the advice on manual versus automatic. That gives me something to think about. After the initial repairs I will try some autocrossing or something to break it. If the auto seems good, I'll plan to stay with it.

Looking over the LuK build page it looks like they did a refresh. Lucky me if it holds, unlucky me if not.

Nashco wrote: Whatever you do, if you buy a second car to make one good one, include it in your budget by selling off unnecessary parts. It really irks me when I see guys with a spare parts car at the race (driving or not) that donates parts to keep the car on the track but isn't included in the budget.

This brings up my precedent-makingly, rules-breakingly awesome idea.

Start the race, run a handful of laps until attrition knocks out a bunch of cars, then pit in with "engine trouble", raise the car up on big ol' pin type jackstands like rally cars use. Unbolt front subframe, unbolt rear subframe, unbolt struts from the shell, drop everything out, swap in "spare parts": race caliber struts/springs and awesome drivetrain of Your Choice.

A motivated team could get it done in an hour, if they have practiced and have engineered the chassis for rapid swapping: quick disconnects in strategic places, relocate brake line fittings for ease of access, have the "good" engine already attached to its radiator pre-loaded with fluids, etc.

Now, if they could make up an hour's worth of laps, is the question. The team would have to time the swap at the right time in the race: too early is too obvious, and there isn't much to be gained to have speed in the first hours anyway, but too late and there's no benefit.

I have put this into a threadjack and not its own thread, for VERY obvious reasons.

And the car is off on its way to Columbus - can't wait to see it in the Lemons!