$1.99

2.75 for premium seems to be the cheapest around here.

Not complaining as the 996 only gets about 22mpg on my commute, the Evo is/was getting close to 30...

2.14 here, woot

Boost_Crazy wrote: In reply to Vigo: You are more than welcome to drive, or not, what you want. It's unfortunate that you don't feel others should have that freedom, because you know better. An auto enthusiast forum is not an acceptable place to tell people what they should drive. Unless the the answer is a Miata, then you're okay.

I think what Vigo is suggesting is not that YOU drive other things, but that WE drive other things. Look at things like recycling, or throwing trash on the highway. Neither of those things require an individual to participate, but rather a sociatal change in thought. I've talked to Vigo about this before, it's not so much that using fuel is bad, but that using fuel for no real gain is bad. Using more gas because your track car makes 800hp is good. Using more fuel because you want to drive your two kids in a suburban instead of an Escape hybrid is bad. He doesn't want you to change what you drive, but for society to change it's views on resource consumption, and in general I agree with him. I'd love to have $.98 premium because nobody really bought gas because most people used electric cars. It would really be a win for everyone.

Car enthusiasts have hugely varied and nuanced reasons for liking and driving whatever they happen to like and drive. The vast majority of car buyers really dont. Their purchases are usually based on a more simplistic rubric wherein a relatively wide variety of cars could fit their needs and wants, and some of them are far more energy efficient than others.

As Mazdeuce alluded to, it's not that people drive bone stock suburbans for their love of that particular model and all its intricacies of design and their love of dumping money out the tailpipe and E36 M3ting up the atmosphere. It's more of an issue of lack of awareness of total costs involved and a lack of obvious alternatives. That doesn't make the suburban buyer an shiny happy person or me a would-be dictator.

None of the 4 cars i've been DD'ing in the last month gets over 20mpg in my short all-city commute. Mazdeuce's most 'efficient' car as far as i know, is an old Porsche 911. That doesn't mean we can't try to look at the bigger picture and encourage others to broaden their criteria and agitate for better alternatives and a longer-term perspective on consumption choices. Some people have a whole host of reasons for driving the EXACT thing that they drive. People who DONT have a whole host of reasons wouldnt really be losing anything by driving something more efficient. It's not that enthusiasts should be the ones to drive 60mpg pods, but that we are particularly suited to helping the less-automotively-informed choose vehicles that are as efficient as possible while still fitting their other needs and wants as well as possible. There is no downside to this. All it is is using the knowledge that is a side effect of our hobby to make the world a little better.

Down to 2.05 in southwest Ohio as of today. Never thought I'd see it this low again.

In reply to Vigo: but I like to sit up high and feel like I'm piloting a bank vault!

$1.99 on the south side of Flint (corner of Dort and Grand Blanc). I predict $1.60 by New Years Eve.

Yay, time to commute in my 71 Chevelle 454SS. Here I come 10MPG! Actually, I'm not sure it gets in the double digits.

bastomatic wrote: In reply to Vigo: but I like to sit up high and feel like I'm piloting a bank vault!

Sounds like my mom.
Her: "what should I buy"
Me: "a Ford Escape would be great for you"
Her: "I bought an Expedition! I like how it drives!" Proceeds to back into things.

In reply to Vigo:

I think you're spot on.

Cotton wrote: Yay, time to commute in my 71 Chevelle 454SS. Here I come 10MPG! Actually, I'm not sure it gets in the double digits.

If only I bought my Uncle's '71 T-Bird.

The first station way up here finally hit 99.9 cents a litre ($3.80/US Gal.).

Couple of stations in Ottawa are at 89.9 cents a litre. Life is good

In reply to ggarrard:

Yea I was down there last week for a Sens game, 14 cents a litre difference in a 3 hour drive. Our gas prices suck.

since the price of the fuel itself shouldn't be that much (if any) different from here, would the difference in price be attributed to taxes ?

with the government subsidized health care (or whatever the proper name is) you'e need additional tax money to provide the funds … correct ?

I saw one at 1.95 yesterday.

$2.19 in a neighboring city to me here in NE Indiana. Which makes me mad that it's $2.29 here but I'm not going to drive a 60 mile round trip just to get that price.

I don't think that we can, or should, expect that it will stay this way, but it sure is a nice break. I still remember back in 06 I think when we said "OPEC is no longer a factor in the determination of gas prices", and I filled up for $0.97 a gallon one day along the 80/90 tollway in Indiana. Then look at what happened.

I bought my new Mazda6 this spring because of the gas mileage (up to 37 hwy EPA rating, about 32.5 consistently real world) and I don't regret that vs. the gas hog 2.8 VR6 motor I had in my old jetta that ran premium. It was tempting to say gas mileage be damned and buy a 3.6 VW CC and have fun, but I didn't.

I'm feeling better about buying that Lincoln Navigator as a third car now. Randomly good timing on my part.

Don't take the bait! Carmakers have bribed the oil companies to lower prices so that people will buy all the gas guzzlers off their lots. Soon, alternative energy companies will bribe the government to raise taxes to discourage greenhouse gas emissions. The Russians will annex Saudi Arabia in an attempt to bolster their economy, and the Chinese will continue to burn all the cheap fuel they can find in order to satisfy the American demand for cheap trinkets. It all makes sense! I'm not crazy! Aieeeee! Aliens!

1988RedT2 wrote: Don't take the bait! Carmakers have bribed the oil companies to lower prices so that people will buy all the gas guzzlers off their lots. Soon, alternative energy companies will bribe the government to raise taxes to discourage greenhouse gas emissions. The Russians will annex Saudi Arabia in an attempt to bolster their economy, and the Chinese will continue to burn all the cheap fuel they can find in order to satisfy the American demand for cheap trinkets. It all makes sense! I'm not crazy! Aieeeee! Aliens!

I’m up to four different conspiracy theories (facts?) so far and counting.

In order of my preference:
1. America and Europe want to destabilize Russia, Venezuela and Iran so are over producing and forcing the price down since those countries rely so much on oil revenue.
2. OPEC is trying to make extraction from tar sands un economically viable so want to keep the price close to $50 a barrel.
3. America is trying to weaken the OPEC strength by driving down the price.
4. The whole oil industry is trying to cut off funding for alternative energy to keep oil as king of the hill.

As I arrived at Sam's Club today, the sign board said $2.02 but when I got to the pump, $1.98. As I was pumping, the employee walked by, headed out to change the sign board. The sign is such that the cents are smaller numbers than the dollar numbers. He commented that he did not have a large #1 to put onto the board.

wbjones wrote: since the price of the fuel itself shouldn't be that much (if any) different from here, would the difference in price be attributed to taxes ? with the government subsidized health care (or whatever the proper name is) you'e need additional tax money to provide the funds … correct ?

Yes a lot of it is in taxes.

My complaint is not the cost but the differential - I live less than 3 hours from the guy in Ottawa and I am paying, at times, close to $0.14/L or 53 cents a gallon more.

As far as I am concerned, the price of gas in Canada is subject to rampant price fixing, however there is virtually no investigation or prosecution. The gov't has no incentive - higher gas prices inflate their revenue and the current party has a power base in the West.

There is no justification for that price differential, other than we have less competition. Prices for gas up here literally go up or down within seconds across the whole city (I live in a city of approx. 56,000 people). People in Northern Ontario pay significantly more for gas. An hour south of me, the prices are MUCH more competitive.

NGTD wrote: As far as I am concerned, the price of gas in Canada is subject to rampant price fixing, however there is virtually no investigation or prosecution. The gov't has no incentive - higher gas prices inflate their revenue and the current party has a power base in the West.

It's been like that since I started driving. There's no way to describe it other than price fixing. How they get away with it, I don't know. It certainly has nothing to do with the current government.

Anyway, paid $.87 this morning. that's about $2.84/ gallon. Not complaining.

To NGTD... I could counter that living in North Bay and Northern Ontario in general has other automotive related advantages to your neighbours in southern Ontario.... Like license fees that are 50% less per year (I pay 98$ per vehicle) and no compulsory emission tests at 35$ bi-annually once your car reaches 5 a years of age. There are times that I would like at least a mailing address north of Arnprior so I could save some tax dollars...

Paid $1.94 in bowling green ohio this morning. $25 to fill my car is refreshing.