The only cars I've smelled from 300ft away are the ones that people who have no business tuning a carburetor have played with.
The only cars I've smelled from 300ft away are the ones that people who have no business tuning a carburetor have played with.
In the States the 302 was introduced in 1968. I don't know about Canada. I would assume that Canada is the same. (But you know where THAT gets you...) So finding an old 302 should be easy. My worthless opinion is to pass on the 289 idea just for the reason that the 302 has more cubic inches in the same package and is more readily available. (At least in the States..)
Kenny_McCormic wrote: The only cars I've smelled from 300ft away are the ones that people who have no business tuning a carburetor have played with.
Usually a month or two after they get the car back from ME after I tuned the thing. "You tuned it now it's running like crap." Yes, I tuned it, and I sure as hell didn't have one idle screw four turns out and the other a half turn out, that's not where I put the ignition timing, and who is the dumbass that took the fuel bowl off and put it back on with the accelerator pump arm hanging down?
What I have learned is that there is a 302 block that would put my concerns to rest. That is the good bit.
I have also learned that other than the two piece seal and the need to spend extra $$$ to convert to a roller cam, the 289 can become a 331 the same as you would a 302...so displacement is a moot point.
What I have is a 302 roller core from an 1987 and a 289 core from a 1967. So, this means I would need to find and acquire yet another core.
The cost of buying another core will most likely be the same as the cost to machine the 289 to roller cam specs.
The irony here is that I want to build a FI engine that burns clean, just don't want to be penalized for it!
NOHOME wrote: What I have learned is that there is a 302 block that would put my concerns to rest. That is the good bit. I have also learned that other than the two piece seal and the need to spend extra $$$ to convert to a roller cam, the 289 can become a 331 the same as you would a 302...so displacement is a moot point. What I have is a 302 roller core from an 1987 and a 289 core from a 1967. So, this means I would need to find and acquire yet another core. The cost of buying another core will most likely be the same as the cost to machine the 289 to roller cam specs. The irony here is that I want to build a FI engine that burns clean, just don't want to be penalized for it!
do the 289 block, since you've gotta do the machine work and what not anyways.. and it will give you some street cred with those weirdos that think that the 289 was the pinnacle of automotive engineering..
NOHOME wrote: The irony here is that I want to build a FI engine that burns clean, just don't want to be penalized for it!
Now I'm confused. If you're running EFI, based on what you've provided, I'd think you'd want to be running cats, PCV, etc. to be within the spirit of the law regardless of how old the block is.
It seems like the solution is an Explorer 5.0 with aftermarket heads and all the modern emissions hardware that you'd expect on a 5.0 in an Explorer. EDIS, EFI, PCV, cats, the whole nine.
Kenny_McCormic wrote:NOHOME wrote: The irony here is that I want to build a FI engine that burns clean, just don't want to be penalized for it!Now I'm confused. If you're running EFI, based on what you've provided, I'd think you'd want to be running cats, PCV, etc. to be within the spirit of the law regardless of how old the block is.
since when are cats and other emissions clutter required to be in the "spirit" of running efi?
In reply to novaderrik:
The cops appear to be looking for guys with emissions violations, it's going to be a lot more talking and hoping they like you if you have to explain that you've got a pre whatever year block under all that wiring, so it's A OK per the letter of the law that it's got jack E36 M3 for pollution controls on it. Versus just rolling through with your old pre emission car with an old pre emissions engine swapped into it.
Honeycomb cats, PCV and EGR aren't really much clutter.
Kenny_McCormic wrote:NOHOME wrote: The irony here is that I want to build a FI engine that burns clean, just don't want to be penalized for it!Now I'm confused. If you're running EFI, based on what you've provided, I'd think you'd want to be running cats, PCV, etc. to be within the spirit of the law regardless of how old the block is.
If they pop the hood and see a FAST EFI system, I have no idea what the reaction will be.
In reply to NOHOME:
Exactly, whereas if they see (what looks like) a 60s engine in a 60s car, they're more liable to tell you to move along.
Kenny_McCormic wrote: In reply to novaderrik: The cops appear to be looking for guys with emissions violations, it's going to be a lot more talking and hoping they like you if you have to explain that you've got a pre whatever year block under all that wiring, so it's A OK per the letter of the law that it's got jack E36 M3 for pollution controls on it. Versus just rolling through with your old pre emission car with an old pre emissions engine swapped into it. Honeycomb cats, PCV and EGR aren't really much clutter.
always run a pcv valve- that's just common sense...
as far as the authorities are concerned: if all they go by is the year of the block, then show them the casting numbers and tell them to pound sand..
In reply to novaderrik:
I guess I just prefer to avoid the authorities entirely
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