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1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/5/19 6:30 a.m.

Wise and powerful gmt400 gurus disperse your knowledge upon me.

I am lost and confused in the sea of rear end options. 

 

Seriously though there are 10 bolts 12 bolts and at least 3 flavours of 14 bolt that came in the 88-98 trucks.  Then there are different widths from 2wd to 4wd.

I would like something bolt in and I’m fine with drum brakes, I need a limited slip and while the truck will make 500whp I don’t want to spend a fortune. Most everything I read online is written catering to the off road crowd while mine is strictly a street machine. 

I know the g80 has a poor reputation but for a street truck will it do? 

I know the 14 bolt full floater is king of strength but are they out there with a locker? 

 

Should I just suck it up and weld my baby ten bolt even though the thought of driving a locked axle on the road gives me the heeby jeebys?

 

 

Patrick
Patrick GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/5/19 7:19 a.m.

get a limited slip carrier and stick it in your 10 bolt if you like the gears you have.  An 8.5” 10 bolt is not a weak link at those power levels.  

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
9/5/19 7:26 a.m.

8.5 with a fresh lsd will work fine, unless you manage to make a pickup truck hook a whole lot better than I think it will.

1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/5/19 7:27 a.m.

In reply to Patrick :

 

A stock g80 out of a c/k 1500 ? Will this work with my current 5 bolt axles? 

 

1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/5/19 7:28 a.m.

In reply to Streetwiseguy :

I don’t imagine it’s going to dead hook, I’d like to put drag radials on it next summer but it’s a long bed truck so there’s just a lot of lightness over the rear wheels to fight.

759NRNG
759NRNG UltraDork
9/5/19 7:53 a.m.

Looking at my 1991 ext cab 10-bolt with an Auburn diff sporting the original 3.42 rear gear, while typing this.... 

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
9/5/19 8:02 a.m.

I'm lucky I have a 12-bolt in the truck with power..... but the 10 bolt 8.5" isn't a bad axle if treated properly 

1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/5/19 8:02 a.m.

In reply to 759NRNG :

From what I see online the auburn it’s about 600$ us. That’s almost 900 Canadian with the exchange, plus shipping...

If an oe limited slip can handle it I would much prefer to source good use from a junk yard.

1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/5/19 8:05 a.m.

I’ll also add that while I drive spiritedly at times I’m not abusive.

Vw transissions have tonight me that if you only spin while going straight, and never go full power on rough  ashphalt...you’ll be fine.

 

In short I try not to shock my drivetrain.

759NRNG
759NRNG UltraDork
9/5/19 8:27 a.m.

1SVW, sorry didn't notice geographical location and yes $900 canadian is way stiff, I'm not an actuarial, but finding an oe diff with the lsd might take awhile....not to mention it's 'condition' wink good luck on this journey.

1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/5/19 8:45 a.m.
759NRNG said:

1SVW, sorry didn't notice geographical location and yes $900 canadian is way stiff, I'm not an actuarial, but finding an oe diff with the lsd might take awhile....not to mention it's 'condition' wink good luck on this journey.

Thanks,

 

I can find lots of z71 in the yard with 3.73 and g80 from the same years. But not sure I trust them.

 

Looks like the ford 8.8 is too narrow, not sure if there’s any benefit to getting a whole rear end from a newer gm? 

1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/5/19 4:43 p.m.

Surely there must be a good option from a gm truck that can take the power? Heck lots of new trucks have almost 400hp, I’m only looking for a little more...to the wheels.

pres589 (djronnebaum)
pres589 (djronnebaum) PowerDork
9/5/19 4:46 p.m.

How much are Eaton True-Trac's running for that application?

I want to say Curtis is a fan of the G80 LSD.  I don't know of anyone else speaking its praises around here.

dropstep
dropstep UltraDork
9/5/19 4:50 p.m.

The G80 govbomb seems to live alot longer if you don't floor it around corners and slide on and off the road alot. 

1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/5/19 5:14 p.m.
dropstep said:

The G80 govbomb seems to live alot longer if you don't floor it around corners and slide on and off the road alot. 

I won’t be doing much flooring around corners.

Does gm still run the gov-loc? Does ford or dodge have a better locker set up in a common rear end? I know the s10 guys love the ford 8.8. What do the f150’s run? 

1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/6/19 5:22 a.m.

 

Local pick and pull yard has this on site. Any reason o shouldn’t grab the whole rear end weld some spring pads on and go? 

For reference it’s about 200$ Canadian plus tax, so about 150$ usd for the whole rear end assembly. Then if the g80 in it is no good I can go from there.

MrChaos
MrChaos GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/6/19 5:32 a.m.

In reply to 1SlowVW :

that is a either a 12 bolt or a 14 bolt so i would at that price

81cpcamaro
81cpcamaro Dork
9/6/19 9:01 a.m.

That truck most likely has the AAM 10.5" axle, which is a newer version of the 14-bolt. It will be an 8-lug full-floater setup and is fairly heavy compared to a 10-bolt. Price is good.

1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/6/19 10:43 a.m.

In reply to 81cpcamaro :

I kind of gave up the light weight thing when I switched from the s10 to a c1500.

Two more questions:

One did these more often then not have lsd from the factory?

If so are they any tougher then the older lsd’s.

81cpcamaro
81cpcamaro Dork
9/6/19 11:23 a.m.

Not sure how many had the lsd vs not, the G80 code will be on the option sticker. Could be a tag on the diff cover bolts too. My 2003 Burb 2500 had G80 and it was still working at 250K miles.

NoBrakesRacing
NoBrakesRacing Reader
9/6/19 1:32 p.m.

I replaced the 10 bolt on my 88 suburban (square body),  with a NOS military surplus axle that had a g80 limited slip. 

It was very tight and would fully lock up both wheels together, have great traction. Would sometimes chirp a tire on u turns. 

1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/7/19 7:24 a.m.

In reply to NoBrakesRacing :

I’ll keep an eye on the classifieds locally for a mil spec truck.

No junk yarding this morning as it’s supposed to be a bit hurricane-y outside.

Curtis
Curtis GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
9/7/19 11:50 a.m.

Lots of good info here.

The 8.5" will be plenty for 500 hp.  If you're going to be shocking it a lot, I might consider a cast/preloader cover.

When shopping, don't use the bolts on the bolt cover to determine what the axle is.  10-bolt axles are named 10-bolt because of the number of bolts holding the ring gear to the carrier, not the bolts on the cover.  It is true that most 10-bolt axles have ten bolts on the cover, but not always.  There were 12 bolt axles with 10 on the cover.  It's not always correlative.

The 12 bolt will be a nice step up.  14 bolt axles came in two different forms; a 9.5" ring semi-floater and a 10.5" ring full floater.  Both are overkill and I don't think any of the 14s came with 5-lug.  Several came with 6 lug.  Since the 14s were 3/4 ton and up, the only factory ratios you'll find are a bit lower (higher numerically), but if you dig hard enough you can find 3.23 and 3.42.

All of GM's axles were available with the G80 RPO.  G80 does not indicate any specific TYPE of traction device, it just simply means that it has something other than an open diff.  Lighter duty trucks often got a friction-type posi; either a Auburn cone style or an Eaton flat clutch style.  As you got into the heavier trucks it was usually the one they called the gov-lock.  This one functioned as an open diff until a wee little spring sensed wheel spin and engaged limited slip clutches.  This is the one that got a bad rep, but it is completely fine and actually a great diff.  It got its bad reputation from drag racing.  People would put slicks on a camaro with 600 hp and take it to the strip.  Since it is normally open, they would launch, it would light up the left tire and get it spinning at 50 mph, then a split second later it locked up the other slick and things went boom.  In a street truck, it is a wonderful diff.  I have one in a 10.5" FF that came out of a 500k-mile P-step van and when I took it apart it looked brand new.

The important take-away there is that G80 means some kind of posi, but you won't know which one until you open it up.  Much like RPO LT1 means something totally different in 1970 than it does in 1995... or 2019.  I wish GM would stop recycling RPOs.  They used different posi types over the years and applications based on newer technology, who was the lowest bidder, what the market could support with cost vs. sticker prices, etc.

I would suggest a truck 12-bolt.  They don't carry the same price tag as car 12 bolts because they are perceived as weaker... which they are a tiny bit, but only because of the pinion bearing being more similar to a 10-bolt in the truck 12s.  It's a bolt-in, it was available with 5-lug, and the aftermarket has you covered with anything.

But, if you find an 8.5" 10-bolt, I wouldn't pass on it either.

Double check that it is, in fact an 8.5".  The factory never put the wimpy 7.5" in trucks (except for a few years of trying them in the C10 stepside) but there was a TSB on some 8.5" axles back in the 80s, and GM's response was to replace the axle... which was sometimes a 7.5".  They're pretty easy to spot from the outside.  8.5s have a mostly round pattern to the cover while 7.5s are wider than they are tall.  A 7.5" rear with 500 hp will last up until your first time going full throttle.  Then you'll have to push the truck backwards to collect the carrier which has been ejected through the cover.

 

Curtis
Curtis GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
9/7/19 11:57 a.m.
1SlowVW said:

In reply to 759NRNG :

From what I see online the auburn it’s about 600$ us. That’s almost 900 Canadian with the exchange, plus shipping...

If an oe limited slip can handle it I would much prefer to source good use from a junk yard.

OE limited slip isn't the weak link.  Any of the carriers will be strong enough.  From the factory, they are often a little bit on the light side of how much torque they actually bias, but that is pretty easily solved.  No need to buy an expensive posi.  Just find one from the factory and it will be fine.  In general... gov-lock and flat-clutch styles are both easy to rebuild and tune for how much friction they give.  Cone style are often not rebuildable.

1SlowVW
1SlowVW Reader
9/7/19 12:37 p.m.

In reply to Curtis :

Curtis, 

Thank you for taking the time to write that out. The clarification on the g80 and on the diff cover not being a good point of reference to me is very helpful.

I guess I’m just over thinking this after my initial finding on axles that were predominantly written by off roaders. I think guys who run their trucks in the mud can break anything.

 

my latest find is this truck that the owner may sell me the rear end out of. Need to check the rpo codes but my buddy thinks it should be a lsd and 3.73 since the trucks a z71 package. 

Leaning towards this one as I wouldn’t have to move spring perches or shock mounts. Just change my wheels. Which is a shame because I love my current steel wheels.

 

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