Otto Maddox wrote: sport - a source of diversion So all you people who love to jack off are apparently engaged in a sport, and thusly considered athletes.
I added a clock to make it a race.
Otto Maddox wrote: sport - a source of diversion So all you people who love to jack off are apparently engaged in a sport, and thusly considered athletes.
I added a clock to make it a race.
That would make it a timed event like autocross, and we all know that's not racing.
The real answer is that there is a spectrum. Bowlers are athletes and basketball players are athletes. There is no rule that says that one sport being more physically demanding than another precludes the less demanding sport participants from being athletes. Even in motorsports, you have a spectrum of fat guys smoking while they drive to the little spider monkeys of muscle in F1.
I'm going with athlete, at least for the top flight guys.
For instance, Tony Kanaan, who competed in the triathlon world championships at Kona during the Indy car season.
In reply to dyintorace:
His finish time was on par with accountants and lawyers across America.
I look at this way:
If Golf is considered a "sport" then Autoracing is a "sport"
Golf = A way to ruin a perfectly good walk in the park (not too mention what the chemicals do to the groundwater).
The fact is, to drive a professional race vehicle at the top levels, requires mental and physical strength that few possess. I dare say it requires more strength, intelligence and stamina than Baseball or Golf does.
I'm not saying that it should be an Olympic sport, but then again, I believe chariot races were part of the original games....
“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” Ernest Hemingway
Professional race car driving is incredibly demanding! I've chatted with James Hinchcliffe (Go Daddy Indy driver) and Daniel Morad (Formula BMW rookie of the year) about their workout regimes. Both work out hard, daily and mentioned the hardest thing to replicate was the strain on the neck muscles from G-forces. I took a 2-day formula school with Hinchcliffe, and although I weight train, do boot camp, core and cross-fit classes, I was totally exhausted and drenched in sweat.
Lesley wrote: Professional race car driving is incredibly demanding! I've chatted with James Hinchcliffe (Go Daddy Indy driver) and Daniel Morad (Formula BMW rookie of the year) about their workout regimes. Both work out hard, daily and mentioned the hardest thing to replicate was the strain on the neck muscles from G-forces. I took a 2-day formula school with Hinchcliffe, and although I weight train, do boot camp, core and cross-fit classes, I was totally exhausted and drenched in sweat.
I run 7 miles a day and weight train. I still manage to lose 4-6 lbs during a 45 minute amateur club race and I am more exhausted than if I had run. The pros are doing it longer, harder and at ridiculous g-forces. I dare say they would be closer to top tier cycling or swimming athletic conditioning than the bowling end of the spectrum.
Anyone out here thinking it is a walk in the park to hustle a car around should do a couple stints on one of those endurance kart races that "only" go 50mph to try to keep up and get a little taste.
I wear a heart rate monitor when I'm exercising at the gym or playing hockey. My heart will get up into the high 160's at hockey. It would have been interesting to have had this thing to wear back when I was racing at Waterford Hills in my GTI or Miata. I used to get out of the car after 20 minutes of racing feeling at least as beat as I do after a game of hockey.
Lesley wrote: ... "Both work out hard, daily and mentioned the hardest thing to replicate was the strain on the neck muscles from G-forces." ...
I've been in fighter aircraft pulling high Gs, but they were vertical Gs pressing on the body, not slinging it side ot side. Still we had to do neck excercises to strengthen the muscles so we could control our head motion during those manuevers.
I cannot fathom the forces on a driver's neck in an F-1 car doing things like the 3 to 4 G moves they were making at Silverstone just last week. They must have neck muscles that make an NFL lineman look like pencil-necked geeks.
Otto Maddox wrote: So all you people who love to jack off are apparently engaged in a sport, and thusly considered athletes.
Isn't a car-raising contest a jack-off?
(RIP George Carlin)
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Anyone out here thinking it is a walk in the park to hustle a car around should do a couple stints on one of those endurance kart races that "only" go 50mph to try to keep up and get a little taste.
I had my ass wore out after driving a 10 minute session at CMP in their karts. Hoping backing in the track car was like resting compared to those damn things. They weren't even shifter karts.
irish44j wrote: while I'm well aware of the physical ability needed to race a car at the highest levels (or even below that), saying it is "hard" and causes a lot of sweating, and causes health problems, and requires one to be in good/great physical shape and have good strength.....etc doesn't make the driver an "athlete."
So someone like Lewis Hamilton wouldn't be an athlete because he drives a racecar but I am because I play softball. I do probably sweat more and am usually winded walking out onto the field.
shadetree30 wrote:emodspitfire wrote: I hope that AJ is cleared by the second test.It appears that he has been and Penske announced he is back in the car for Indy.
Ahh... So they got around to testing the B Sample that he provided, did they? ;)
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7pilot wrote:shadetree30 wrote:Ahh... So they got around to testing the B Sample that he provided, did they? ;) memodspitfire wrote: I hope that AJ is cleared by the second test.It appears that he has been and Penske announced he is back in the car for Indy.
Apparently not:
Let me get this straight...both samples were collected weeks ago. One tested bad. They have simply been sitting on the second sample since and are just now making an appointment to test it in a week or so. Why the wait? Trying to make sense of it but I guess that is futile since it's a NASCAR deal.
Jeff
DeadSkunk wrote: I wear a heart rate monitor when I'm exercising at the gym or playing hockey. My heart will get up into the high 160's at hockey. It would have been interesting to have had this thing to wear back when I was racing at Waterford Hills in my GTI or Miata. I used to get out of the car after 20 minutes of racing feeling at least as beat as I do after a game of hockey.
Just as bit of info: We did almost exactly that. My wife, who's a triathlete(She's only in the 1:45's for a sprint, so nothing spectacular), wore her heart rate monitor during a couple autocross runs in our shifter kart. Her base rate of ~45bpm skyrocketed to ~190 in less than 10 seconds. 
Now if it was in our old ES miata it might have skyrocketed to 46 bpm. :)
JKleiner wrote:7pilot wrote:Apparently not: Sample B Let me get this straight...both samples were collected weeks ago. One tested bad. They have simply been sitting on the second sample since and are just now making an appointment to test it in a week or so. Why the wait? Trying to make sense of it but I guess that is futile since it's a NASCAR deal. Jeffshadetree30 wrote:Ahh... So they got around to testing the B Sample that he provided, did they? ;) memodspitfire wrote: I hope that AJ is cleared by the second test.It appears that he has been and Penske announced he is back in the car for Indy.
From waht I understand the "B" sample has not yet been taken. I think I heard it will be taken around the 24th of this month.
iceracer wrote:JKleiner wrote:From what I understand the "B" sample has not yet been taken. I think I heard it will be taken around the 24th of this month. Yep, I just looked it up.7pilot wrote:Apparently not: Sample B Let me get this straight...both samples were collected weeks ago. One tested bad. They have simply been sitting on the second sample since and are just now making an appointment to test it in a week or so. Why the wait? Trying to make sense of it but I guess that is futile since it's a NASCAR deal. Jeffshadetree30 wrote:Ahh... So they got around to testing the B Sample that he provided, did they? ;) memodspitfire wrote: I hope that AJ is cleared by the second test.It appears that he has been and Penske announced he is back in the car for Indy.
iceracer wrote: From waht I understand the "B" sample has not yet been taken. I think I heard it will be taken around the 24th of this month.
In speaking of the A and B samples the NSSN article states "both were taken at the same time". The article leads me to believe that the B sample will be TESTED on 7/24. It is somewhat ambiguous though and I won't argue that I may not be misunderstanding.
Despite my earlier comment that the delay doesn't make sense I'm sure that the reasoning is so that all relevent parties and/or their representatives can be present to observe the actual test procedure.
Jeff
iceracer wrote:iceracer wrote:JKleiner wrote:From what I understand the "B" sample has not yet been taken. I think I heard it will be taken around the 24th of this month. Yep, I just looked it up.7pilot wrote:Apparently not: Sample B Let me get this straight...both samples were collected weeks ago. One tested bad. They have simply been sitting on the second sample since and are just now making an appointment to test it in a week or so. Why the wait? Trying to make sense of it but I guess that is futile since it's a NASCAR deal. Jeffshadetree30 wrote:Ahh... So they got around to testing the B Sample that he provided, did they? ;) memodspitfire wrote: I hope that AJ is cleared by the second test.It appears that he has been and Penske announced he is back in the car for Indy.
A thousand pardons. I seem to have taken the local NBC affiliate at its word.
If it is like our tests you fill a cup. It gets poured into two containers, A and B. If A comes up dirty you can request that B gets tested but the lab won't automatically do it. If I remember right the B gets tested by a different lab incase it was the labs error which would explain the delay.
Looks like he failed the 2nd test. Guess AJ has some explaining to do. There was speculation that he may go back to Indy cars. He is now in the NASCAR rehab program I heard.
Any scoop on what substance he failed the test for?
Associated Press:
"NASCAR team owner Roger Penske will meet with suspended driver A.J. Allmendinger this week to discuss his future with the team.
"Speaking to reporters at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway before Sunday's Brickyard 400, Penske acknowledged that there were no guarantees Allmendinger would get his ride in the No. 22 car back once he has completed a NASCAR-mandated recovery program - Allmendinger's only path to return from his indefinite suspension for a violation of NASCAR's substance abuse policy.
"NASCAR has not said what substance Allmendinger was suspended for, but his business manager has said it was an amphetamine. Allmendinger has said he didn't knowingly ingest a banned substance and has hired an independent laboratory to help determine what caused the positive test."
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