I'm just upset that all of these newfangled computerized auto-mo-biles have cut into the availability of brand new hand crank started, body-on-frame flivvers with fold-down windshields and wooden artillery wheels. It truly hope this fad will die soon.
I hate to admit this but I test drove a 2009 Porsche Cayenne S with the 4.2 as a DD replacement for me. I really liked it.
Appleseed said:1988RedT2 said:Oh yes, Comrade! Think how much better off we'd all be if we let big corporations sell us only what they deem appropriate for our situation. They could assess our needs and tell us what to buy, when to buy, and how much to spend. Wouldn't that be great?
Wait...Apple makes a car?
Yes, but they are called Tesla.
dean1484 said:I hate to admit this but I test drove a 2009 Porsche Cayenne S with the 4.2 as a DD replacement for me. I really liked it.
You know it's perfectly okay to like it. They're awesome vehicles.
I guess it won’t be a problem when all of the sports cars dry up and go away. Because, let’s face it, if everyone is driving a CUV then you just have to have the fastest cute utility vehicle to stay secure with your manhood. And that will solve all of mankind’s problems. Kinda like when everybody in the late 70s early 80s had to drive those awful E36 M3 box malaise era vehicles. It’s not ugly if everyone’s ugly
_ said:I guess it won’t be a problem when all of the sports cars dry up and go away. Because, let’s face it, if everyone is driving a CUV then you just have to have the fastest cute utility vehicle. And that will solve all of mankind’s problems. Kinda like when everybody in the late 70s early 80s had to drive those awful E36 M3 box malaise era vehicles. It’s not ugly if everyone’s ugly
Lol man chill out and grab a beer or three, then go browse some old car magazines from the 70s and 80s to remind yourself not everyone drove boring cars. Just like today, lots of amazing options for an enthusiast, regardless of the popularity of SUVs and maybe even because of it.
In reply to Cotton :
This conversation wasn’t for the here and now. These debates come up because we are concerned our children will lose an entire heritage of automobile racing
_ said:In reply to Cotton :
This conversation wasn’t for the here and now. These debates come up because we are concerned our children will lose an entire heritage of automobile racing
That's certainly not the lost heritage I'm concerned with in regards to my child.
mazdeuce - Seth said:People like these. Spend their money on them. Show them off to their friends. Porsche makes people happy. Not much to complain about.
mtn said:
I like these, myself. I've got no problems with them on any level. I find it kinda funny that we recommend the CX-5 to no end; well, the Macan to me is basically a very upscale CX-5. In fact, friends of mine have been cross-shopping a new CX-5 and a used Macan. Go figure.
This. I have picked out every car my wife has owned since high school. The only one she loved was her CX-5. Then we had a (distant) third kid and it was replaced with a Sienna. My oldest is taking the new Sienna to high school in 2 years and I told the Mrs to go buy a car she WANTS for a change. It's probably going to be a CUV-type-thing either way...there are worse options than a Macan. It's not a MINI.
I've been casually pointing them out on the road for a few months.
dean1484 said:I hate to admit this but I test drove a 2009 Porsche Cayenne S with the 4.2 as a DD replacement for me. I really liked it.
Although they’re not my cup of tea, real SUVs have a valid place. What I’m specifically ranting about are the raised floor, squashed roof, 4-door slashbacks. They combine the worst elements of all the genres while somehow failing to find any of the advantages.
In reply to Duke :
It's just what people like. It doesn't deserve this much energy from you, there's worse things to have negative feelings towards in this world. Let it go, Elsa. 
I did not want to like it. I mean it is not a 911. It looks kind of like a guppy that ate a egg.
But it goes like stink. Handlers better than it has a right to. You can fit a bunch of people in it with there stuff or go have a bit of fun on a twisty road. The interior is nicely appointed. Seats are great. Adults fit in the back.
I did not want to like it but I found that I really like it.
In reply to dean1484 :
Now get it! 
I don't hate the Macan. They're going to be super cheap soon after the suburban wives upgrade and they're not portly as the Cayenne. (The Macan not the wives..)
yupididit said:In reply to dean1484 :
Now get it!
Took it for a test drive while waiting to take a s550 4matic I was there to test drive. I have to tell you it is going to be a tough choice.
_ said:In reply to Cotton :
This conversation wasn’t for the here and now. These debates come up because we are concerned our children will lose an entire heritage of automobile racing
But they have drone racing......
yupididit said:In reply to Duke :
It's just what people like. It doesn't deserve this much energy from you, there's worse things to have negative feelings towards in this world. Let it go, Elsa.
Well, 'reality' TV with lots of morons and fabricated drama is also "just what people like." And that has driven lots of watchable content off the air in favor of high profitability and pandering to the lowest common denominator.
It's just a matter of time until the automobile manufacturers decide that they're tired of losing / making less money on cars and will only make these things with their higher profit margins. Witness the fact that you can now get these things in a smooth continuum of 7 or 8 marginally different model sizes, when 3 sizes used to be perfectly adequate. Witness Ford.
A future made up of Dancing With The Real Bachelorettes of Orange County and trendy "Used to be high enough to see over traffic except now everybody is this tall and the windows are too small to see anything anyway" SportCrossoverCoupeSedans is worth wasting energy being upset about.
In reply to Duke :
Don't watch tv.
But, I see that this really gets to you. It isn't worth the energy to have such feelings towards inanimate objects that are just appliances at the end of the day.
*gives you a hug*
In reply to yupididit :
Telling me not to watch TV is a valid suggestion. I’m still allowed to miss the good programming that used to be on, but I enjoy other forms of entertainment and I’d get over it.
Telling me not to drive a vehicle is a little harder to swallow.
Wow, this thread has gone exactly the direction I figured it would.
Duke said:dean1484 said:I hate to admit this but I test drove a 2009 Porsche Cayenne S with the 4.2 as a DD replacement for me. I really liked it.
Although they’re not my cup of tea, real SUVs have a valid place. What I’m specifically ranting about are the raised floor, squashed roof, 4-door slashbacks. They combine the worst elements of all the genres while somehow failing to find any of the advantages.
Just because you don't see what makes CUV's easier to live with does not mean that they don't exist. Moreso that you still seem to think that the handling and performance of CUV's is so compromised that they are horrible cars. The reality is that they are as good as most of the best cars 20 years ago, and given how roads and traffic has progressed over that same time, 90% of that performance improvement is not even possible to see in the best of the best cars.
CUV are easier to get in and out of, and easier to load than any sedan out there. Yes, a wagon would be easier to load, with the low height, but they *can* be a pain to get stuff out of, thanks to the low height.
The improvements in driving for SUV and CUV means that to get the benefit of a larger interior space (even if it's a precieved reality) now has almost none of the trade offs of a crappy driving truck.
If you CHOOSE not to see that, that's totally fine. But the reality is there, and the buying public is using the power of their brand new buying dollar to back that up.
It very much sucks for those of us who want small cars, no question about that at all. I'm likely to be forced to buy a Toyota or Mazda someday, which is really, really sad. But it is reality when you have the goal of maximizing profit and your share price.
In reply to Duke :
My bad I meant, "I don't watch tv".
No one is telling you what to drive though.
As I get older, I don't know which is harder--climbing up into my SUV, or risking death by falling down into the seat of the RX-7. Why can't anybody build a car with the driver's seat at butt height?
In reply to 1988RedT2 :
Hilariously, my '97 F-250 fits that description. I pretty much just step sideways to get in.
Not sure why trucks needed to get so much taller, but I'm sure the market has its reasons...
Sports cars as a percentage of Porsche US sales for the past 20 years:
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