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dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
8/2/12 6:53 p.m.
Ranger50 wrote: In reply to turboswede: Silvadene cream. 2nd degree burns suck.

I was going to say that and i would get to a doctor. The risk if infection with that is quite high.

ScottRA21
ScottRA21 Reader
8/3/12 3:39 a.m.

Nothing painful, but:

About 5 weeks ago, we dropped off our 2002 Kia Sportage at the local garage because it had an issue: It would crank normally, but not start. Now, before anyone says "starter", "battery", etc: It cranked normally. Full force, like it just came from the factory. This problem of course, was intermittent. Some times it would start right up, the next time it might take 5 cranks. One time it took 30 bloody minutes before it started. Oddity begins: If/When it decided to start, it started right up as if nothing was wrong. It ran perfectly fine; no hesitation, not coughing, sputtering, no loss of power anywhere. Also, problem occured whether it was hot, cold, luke warm, anything.

It took the garage 4 weeks to get it back to us. Trying to diagnose an intermittent problem like this is kind of a pain, I understand that. They replaced the ECU with a used one, because we simply don't have the cash for a brand new one. And they said they checked/tested the fuel pump relays.

Get it home, starts perfect. Cool.

Sits for two days before we go into town to do a shopping run. Going into town, totally fine. Cool, car works! Leave the store...running, running, dead. Start it, catches, dies. No cough, no stumble, just cuts right out. Then it starts and works. Okay....Pulling onto the highway from the left hand turn lane? Dies. Starts up, and no further problem. Get home, park it.

Two days later, I'm headed to my grandmothers, jump in the Sportage....Crank, no start.

Please insert 5000 word essay on the varieties and effects of cussing.

Sportage is back in the garage. They're frustrated. We're pissed. Straddling the line between fixing it cause it is pissing us off, or torching it/dropping it off a cliff.

Vigo
Vigo SuperDork
8/3/12 10:33 a.m.

Yup, those suck. For everyone. The shop cant really charge you for all the diagnostic time they have in it that doesnt amount to anything, and eventually they get desperate and throw parts at it and still lose money because of all the labor time, and then you've got a shop and a customer that BOTH lost money and the car still isnt fixed.

Some problems are just really crappy.

turboswede
turboswede GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/3/12 10:52 a.m.
ScottRA21 wrote: Nothing painful, but: About 5 weeks ago, we dropped off our 2002 Kia Sportage at the local garage because it had an issue: It would crank normally, but not start. Now, before anyone says "starter", "battery", etc: It cranked normally. Full force, like it just came from the factory. This problem of course, was intermittent. Some times it would start right up, the next time it might take 5 cranks. One time it took 30 bloody minutes before it started. Oddity begins: If/When it decided to start, it started right up as if nothing was wrong. It ran perfectly fine; no hesitation, not coughing, sputtering, no loss of power anywhere. Also, problem occured whether it was hot, cold, luke warm, anything. It took the garage 4 weeks to get it back to us. Trying to diagnose an intermittent problem like this is kind of a pain, I understand that. They replaced the ECU with a used one, because we simply don't have the cash for a brand new one. And they said they checked/tested the fuel pump relays. Get it home, starts perfect. Cool. Sits for two days before we go into town to do a shopping run. Going into town, totally fine. Cool, car works! Leave the store...running, running, dead. Start it, catches, dies. No cough, no stumble, just cuts right out. Then it starts and works. Okay....Pulling onto the highway from the left hand turn lane? Dies. Starts up, and no further problem. Get home, park it. Two days later, I'm headed to my grandmothers, jump in the Sportage....Crank, no start. Please insert 5000 word essay on the varieties and effects of cussing. Sportage is back in the garage. They're frustrated. We're pissed. Straddling the line between fixing it cause it is pissing us off, or torching it/dropping it off a cliff.

Probably an ignition pickup (not sure if it has a distributor or a crank sensor) Sometimes they won't throw a code because they provide enough information to stay above the threshold, but won't work well enough to start the car. Combine with a potential for a bad connector or wire someplace and you'll quickly lose your hair trying to find it.

turboswede
turboswede GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/3/12 10:56 a.m.
dean1484 wrote:
Ranger50 wrote: In reply to turboswede: Silvadene cream. 2nd degree burns suck.
I was going to say that and i would get to a doctor. The risk if infection with that is quite high.

Nah, I rubbed some 'tussin on it. ;)

ScottRA21
ScottRA21 Reader
8/3/12 4:01 p.m.
turboswede wrote:
ScottRA21 wrote: Rant
Probably an ignition pickup (not sure if it has a distributor or a crank sensor) Sometimes they won't throw a code because they provide enough information to stay above the threshold, but won't work well enough to start the car. Combine with a potential for a bad connector or wire someplace and you'll quickly lose your hair trying to find it.

It is a crank sensor, and they replaced that since it was throwing the ECU a rather "interesting" reading. Replaced the coils since they were cracked, fixed the leaking valve cover gasket and replaced the oil soaked plug wires...

If we weren't struggling right now, I would throw that thing to the next sucker and find something more reliable. Like an Alfa GTV. Or a Fiat Spider. Or both in one.

wbjones
wbjones UltraDork
8/3/12 7:16 p.m.
N Sperlo wrote: I know what you mean. Just dumped a grand on the F-150,

damn, so did I .... a complete and total brake rebuild .... from MC, to lines, to rotors ( took over 2 hrs with a 3# sledge and a torch to get the old ones off) and pads, to soft lines, to rear shoes and wheel cylinders, and new fluid ..... everything was so rusted we didn't even try to save the, rear only ABS .... just cut it out and capped the lines .... + a new coil and an O2 sense

N Sperlo
N Sperlo PowerDork
8/3/12 7:23 p.m.

In reply to wbjones:

Replaced the busted leaf springs with a custom set for 400, then towing one of my cars my drive shaft fell out and the whole drive line had to be replaced (475). Either warped or cracked along with the transfer case adapter (75). Now it looks all perdy underneath, but I think the jolt from the flopping shaft (giggity) caused an oil leak up front. Need to check that out. Looks real slow though.

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