12a or 13b n/a rotary....that car won't need that much power
12a or 13b n/a rotary....that car won't need that much power
dculberson wrote: The LS-based V4 mentioned in other threads?
This. THIS.
yamaha wrote: 12a or 13b n/a rotary....that car won't need that much power
"Need?" Well, no. It won't need that much power. But can you deny that it would be fun if it did? 
The new 3 cylinder ecoboost engine from Ford!! That would easily fit AND fit the bill for big enginelike power status.
mazdeuce wrote: Does it have to meet any racing rules? Something about that car screams supercharger to me. I'd personally like to see something four cylinder and blown. It would be really awesome to have blower whine and fairly open exhaust when you fire it up.
That's what I was thinking - source the engine from an SVT Focus.
Conquest351 wrote:Swank Force One wrote:Don't see why it wouldn't work. Same engine isn't it? Ford/Mazda 2.3 DOHC? Didn't they use the same engine in the later Rangers?Conquest351 wrote: Boosted 2.3 DOHC from a Mazdaspeed Mazda3 bolted to a Ranger/B2300 transmission?Hold up. That's a thing?
This isn't true, is it?? Is there confusion because of "2.3" (much like the 2.3 in a Tempo/Topaz isn't the same)?
I hope I just didn't know this as that might open up a lot of possibilities for other projects...
Since the answer is always Miata, it would seem to me that a Miata powertrain would be a natural fit into the Tornado. And if you really want big power out of it, I'm sure Keith could suggest something to help.
Conquest351 wrote:Swank Force One wrote:Don't see why it wouldn't work. Same engine isn't it? Ford/Mazda 2.3 DOHC? Didn't they use the same engine in the later Rangers?Conquest351 wrote: Boosted 2.3 DOHC from a Mazdaspeed Mazda3 bolted to a Ranger/B2300 transmission?Hold up. That's a thing?
Pretty much. IIRC the block/etc is the same, pretty sure they use the same engine mounts. I have no idea if the bellhousings are different from the n/a to the turbo, but if they're not, it's effectively a duratec/mzr- And would definitely bolt up to a 4 banger ranger.
I'll be on the "Classic" side and say a Kent motor.
Especially since this is a Classic Motorsports project.
stan wrote: This isn't true, is it?? Is there confusion because of "2.3" (much like the 2.3 in a Tempo/Topaz isn't the same)? I hope I just didn't know this as that might open up a lot of possibilities for other projects...
Well, if I look up a common part, like say a cylinder head bolt on RA, the buyers guide lists for FEL-PRO Part # ES72207:
FORD ESCAPE (2005 - 2011)
FORD FOCUS (2003 - 2011)
FORD FUSION (2006 - 2011)
FORD RANGER (2001 - 2011)
FORD TRANSIT CONNECT (2010 - 2011)
LINCOLN MKZ 2011
MAZDA 3 (2004 - 2009)
MAZDA 5 (2006 - 2009)
MAZDA 6 (2003 - 2008)
MAZDA B2300 (2001 - 2009)
MAZDA CX-7 (2007 - 2009)
MAZDA MX-5 MIATA (2006 - 2009)
MAZDA TRIBUTE (2005 - 2008)
MERCURY MARINER (2005 - 2011)
MERCURY MILAN (2006 - 2011)
So I don't see how they can be much different outside of maybe how you will have to mount up the engine in the chassis.....
carguy123 wrote: The new 3 cylinder ecoboost engine from Ford!! That would easily fit AND fit the bill for big enginelike power status.
Direct injection and CANBUS, not an easy motor to adapt. would be VERY interested to see it pioneered though.
Turbo LB4. DUH!
Ranger50 wrote:stan wrote: This isn't true, is it?? Is there confusion because of "2.3" (much like the 2.3 in a Tempo/Topaz isn't the same)? I hope I just didn't know this as that might open up a lot of possibilities for other projects...Well, if I look up a common part, like say a cylinder head bolt on RA, the buyers guide lists for FEL-PRO Part # ES72207: FORD ESCAPE (2005 - 2011) FORD FOCUS (2003 - 2011) FORD FUSION (2006 - 2011) FORD RANGER (2001 - 2011) FORD TRANSIT CONNECT (2010 - 2011) LINCOLN MKZ 2011 MAZDA 3 (2004 - 2009) MAZDA 5 (2006 - 2009) MAZDA 6 (2003 - 2008) MAZDA B2300 (2001 - 2009) MAZDA CX-7 (2007 - 2009) MAZDA MX-5 MIATA (2006 - 2009) MAZDA TRIBUTE (2005 - 2008) MERCURY MARINER (2005 - 2011) MERCURY MILAN (2006 - 2011) So I don't see how they can be much different outside of maybe how you will have to mount up the engine in the chassis.....
Have I really become the first person to think about this combination in GRM history? Someone must do this now!! This little car needs to be the first one!
bravenrace wrote: How about this?
Carb'd Coyote?! Yes please!
I think this car calls for an older engine, but inspired by the observations of some more modern engines and the fact that a Kent is under consideration... How about the other Formula Ford (er, Formula F) engine, the Honda Fit's mill? Apparently there are bits to install one in an open wheel race car, so that presumably rids the ECU of any desire to know what the door locks and tire pressure sensors are up to...
None of the above. Flathead ford is period correct and would be awesome.
Zetec
I like the idea of a simple carbed rotary, but I also think that a 4AGE would be an awesome fit. Not too much power, but always fun to drive.
I was going t say Fiat 124 in keeping with a classic theme. However, a Miata or Focus engine can look just as classic with a bit of effort.
From a power that does not overwhelm the chassis, a 3.4 V6 from the GM stable could do a good job. Cheap and common.
Well, until we get an actual goal, i'll just say what i would do to it.
F2T ALL THE THINGS.
Apexcarver wrote:carguy123 wrote: The new 3 cylinder ecoboost engine from Ford!! That would easily fit AND fit the bill for big enginelike power status.Direct injection and CANBUS, not an easy motor to adapt. would be VERY interested to see it pioneered though.
A project that a magazine would be much more likely to be able to take to fruition than an individual and like you said, it would pave the way for many others.
We can't ignore these things, they are the wave of the future so we need to get working on them.
I vote for a rotary powerplant... but then, I usually do. If there's the room for it, find a 20B to shoehorn into it. No reason for it to be light on power just because it's got magic doritos!
carguy123 wrote:Apexcarver wrote:A project that a magazine would be much more likely to be able to take to fruition than an individual and like you said, it would pave the way for many others. We can't ignore these things, they are the wave of the future so we need to get working on them.carguy123 wrote: The new 3 cylinder ecoboost engine from Ford!! That would easily fit AND fit the bill for big enginelike power status.Direct injection and CANBUS, not an easy motor to adapt. would be VERY interested to see it pioneered though.
In my dream locost builds I keep thinking about this motor, but the problems I stated are the barrier. I am right there with ya.
The other side of me thinks this project should have a period motor though.
either 2.4 turbo motor from srt4, or a jeep 4.0HO with a 258 crank to make a 5.0 stroker straight six with ITB's
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