Between guys I know on FB and following various UK-based biking sites, the amount of crime and general theft in the UK astounds me.
A couple of Nissan SR20s would pull a premium one week before race wars. What are ya feeling ...
Ian F wrote: Between guys I know on FB and following various UK-based biking sites, the amount of crime and general theft in the UK astounds me.
In a recent "Grand Tour" episodes recorded in the US, they asked the audience, "with all the pickup trucks here, don't you get stuff stolen out of them all the time?" in the UK, your stuff would be gone in minutes." The audience was silent at first, everyone thinking "well, no, why?" Then James May volunteered, "That's because they know they'd be shot if they did."
In reply to Kreb:
If they were all Land Rover engines it was probably just good samaritans doing the general pubic a favor?
My guess is they came back for the second trailer because the first one broke down.
I half innocently asked a Brit about the Leeds riots from a number of years back and he absolutely flipped his E36 M3 about how violent America is. I must have hit a raw nerve. I'll take a smattering of violence if it meant not having to worry about every single piece of property you own being fair game. Does the term joy-riding even exist in America outside the movie 'New Jersey Drive'? The Brits also have a term I despise. "Ordinary Decent Criminals" or ODCs. 
That is a. It ridiculous to separate the lines between "ordinary" and "outlandish". Either way it's 5-10 in the state penn
In reply to nutherjrfan:
Not wanting to get political here, but crime rates - including violent crime are much higher in Europe than we're lead to believe.
That's some old school mob style stuff. Good for them.
I can't believe there is a black market big enough for that many motors. Is someone building aircraft? Having security slips is too organized for scrappers, I would imagine. Or your internal payoffs were big, security guards, trailer people, inventory people that's a lot of bribing.
Then the space to hide everything, unless it went onto a boat or something, that fast so all that were found were empty trailers? You have a warehouse with forklifts that's for sure.
Maybe Elio is changing design paths?
kb58 wrote:Ian F wrote: Between guys I know on FB and following various UK-based biking sites, the amount of crime and general theft in the UK astounds me.In a recent "Grand Tour" episodes recorded in the US, they asked the audience, "with all the pickup trucks here, don't you get stuff stolen out of them all the time?" in the UK, your stuff would be gone in minutes." The audience was silent at first, everyone thinking "well, no, why?" Then James May volunteered, "That's because they know they'd be shot if they did."
Yes, I saw that - and laughed at it too. But let's face it, regardless of popular belief, it's not really true.
Now I'm not saying I'd be comfortable driving into some of the more questionable areas of Philly with an open pick-up bed full of valuables and leave them unattended (I don't even like leaving much in my van), but at the same time I saw a UK news picture of a line of Transit work vans with the side doors ripped off in order to get to the tools. Maybe that has happened here as well, but I've never seen it.
Sorry - I didn't mean that comment to be political. It was just something that's been confusing me for some time.
I'm not sure wheremost of you live but I feel safer parking an open car in downtown Toronto than in small town USA. I live in a neighborhood where the average house is 750k and I've had 4 car break ins so far. Locked cars. Cops don't do crap.
I'll tell you where they are: The Middle East. A quote I remember from a wealthy sand person went something like "My grandfather rode a camel. My father drove a Cadillac. I drive a Mercedes. My son drives a Land Rover. His son will ride a camel." We are in the "Land Rover" stage, and given the propensity for popping head gaskets, etc., I bet there is a YUUGE market for Land Rover motors in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, etc.
Well, America is full of fat, lazy Americans. Maybe we just don't want to do that much work. ;)
In reply to Kreb:
Oh I know.
Dr. Hess wrote: I'll tell you where they are: The Middle East. A quote I remember from a wealthy sand person went something like "My grandfather rode a camel. My father drove a Cadillac. I drive a Mercedes. My son drives a Land Rover. His son will ride a camel." We are in the "Land Rover" stage, and given the propensity for popping head gaskets, etc., I bet there is a YUUGE market for Land Rover motors in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, etc.
I was thinking China or south America. Lots of us based theft lands there. Or russia.
Some gems in the comment section of that article.
"In reality, when you factor in maintenance costs, the thieves are estimated to have lost about $200k."
Shouldn't there be a trail of oil to follow?
In reply to Wall-e:
Fairly sure no oil in the engines until after installation.
Inside job from top to bottom. Claim the insurance maybe get a tax break sneak them back in and 're-use' them keep Rover alive for another couple of years. 
In reply to Kreb:
What makes you say that?
Well since I've had wonderful times in Europe, and because America is so well known for it's gun violence, I made the assumption that Europe is a safer, more crime free place than the USA. It appears that I was wrong:
http://www.germanjoys.eu/2015/10/violent-crime-is-more-common-in-europe-than-the-usa.html
This is but one citation. In fact, if you take a half-dozen major American cities such as Oakland, Detroit, Chicago and such out of the picture, America has far lower crime rates.
But this is a car forum, so I'm going to leave it at that.
RevRico wrote: That's some old school mob style stuff. Good for them.
To clarify, are you applauding the theft?
I can see being impressed by the thieves' brazenness and their cunning but i bet any of us would be less than thrilled to find that someone had come into our garage and walked off with a load of our stuff.
RevRico wrote: I can't believe there is a black market big enough for that many motors. Is someone building aircraft? Having security slips is too organized for scrappers, I would imagine. Or your internal payoffs were big, security guards, trailer people, inventory people that's a lot of bribing. Then the space to hide everything, unless it went onto a boat or something, that fast so all that were found were empty trailers? You have a warehouse with forklifts that's for sure.
Drive a truck in, connect to trailer, and out the gate in six minutes? They knew exactly what they were going for and where it was. Both times.
Definitely highly organised (proper spelling, here 
) with accomplices on the inside.
jfryjfry wrote: I can see being impressed by the thieves' brazenness and their cunning but i bet any of us would be less than thrilled to find that someone had come into our garage and walked off with a load of our stuff.
I've had it happen twice, and... Yes I have been less than pleased.
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