M030
M030 Dork
1/1/15 9:49 a.m.

I've got a four-door 1985 318i that came with a very rusty 325e 2dr for parts

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/which-e30/96728/page1/#post1705173

Is it worth the effort to swap the 325e 6cyl into the less-rusty 318 body? What about a 1.9L from a Z3 or E36 318? I've done Chevy V8 swaps before and I don't want to invest that level of time and custom fabrication into this project. I wouldn't even be thinking about an engine swap if I didn't already have the good running, but extremely rusty 325e. Any other good ideas?

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/1/15 9:59 a.m.

M52B28 from a 328. You can find them in junkyards all day long and it bolts in.

Get some M3 cams if you want more power.

Mr_Clutch42
Mr_Clutch42 Dork
1/1/15 12:07 p.m.

I say don't do an engine swap at all if the 318 has rust. Fix the rust first!

mr2peak
mr2peak GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/1/15 2:16 p.m.

You really picked bottom barrel E30's! Fix the rust. M52 is a good choice

Furious_E
Furious_E GRM+ Memberand New Reader
1/1/15 2:28 p.m.

The 325e has the "eta" engine. Not very powerful, diesel-like redline, and low compression ratio so they are generally considered less desireable than the later (post '87) 325i engines. I beleive the head from the "I" engine can be swapped onto the eta bottom end, which I think is a desireable combo for boost. No real firsthand experience on my part, aside from having driven a 318 on a handfull of occassions, so don't quote me on any of that.

The M52 out of the E36 is a real sweetheart of a motor, though (and I actually can speak from experience here, having owned a 97 328is.) So torquey and smooth. This would be a much more worthwhile swap, especially considering that you can pick up a whole doner car for under $1k.

kevlarcorolla
kevlarcorolla HalfDork
1/1/15 3:55 p.m.

My e30 has the M52 with S50 cams,ebay headers and a TRM tune and its pretty fun and sounds very nice so gets my vote.

http://youtu.be/4BrmUlju6DY

turboswede
turboswede GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
1/1/15 5:51 p.m.

I think someone's swapped an M60 into one before. It's a lovely quad cam V8 that will rev to 7000RPM and came in the 540 and 740's (5-series had a 5-speed option).

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M60

Here's one swapped into a euro Capri (which is effing awesome!)

http://bmwv8capri.yolasite.com/m60-v8-specs.php

yupididit
yupididit GRM+ Memberand Reader
1/1/15 5:57 p.m.

Lots of m60 e30 swaps. And the motor can be had for less than 500 bucks. I think it's like an European answer to the 1uz. And the m60 has 5spd and 6spd manual options that bolt right on.

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
1/1/15 7:07 p.m.
Furious_E wrote: The 325e has the "eta" engine. Not very powerful, diesel-like redline, and low compression ratio so they are generally considered less desireable than the later (post '87) 325i engines. I beleive the head from the "I" engine can be swapped onto the eta bottom end, which I think is a desireable combo for boost. No real firsthand experience on my part, aside from having driven a 318 on a handfull of occassions, so don't quote me on any of that. The M52 out of the E36 is a real sweetheart of a motor, though (and I actually can speak from experience here, having owned a 97 328is.) So torquey and smooth. This would be a much more worthwhile swap, especially considering that you can pick up a whole doner car for under $1k.

The "i" head (885 head) can only be swapped into SuperEta cars, not the regular Eta (which he has), IIRC.

btw, the M52 swap isn't just "drop in and bolt up" like some people seem to be suggesting. It's not a terribly difficult swap, but does require you to find some parts from other cars (like e34 525 oil pan and pump), a different throttle cable, a smaller brake booster (most people use e21 booster), alter the trans crossmembr, and a good bit of wire splicing.

If you look at the many, many threads about M52 swaps on the forums, it's generally accepted that such a swap is going to run $2-3k all told for a fairly basic swap. Sure, you can do it cheaper if you'r good at finding cheap parts and good at fabrication.

Also, your 318 has a small-case diff that will not last long running M52 power. And you'll probably want a different diff anyhow as the 4cyl gearing is not usually ideal for the 6cyl engines/transmissions.

So here's the thing? Have you driven the cars? My car was M10 for the first year I had it. No, it's not gonna win any drag races with minivans, but it's a decent little engine, totally indestructible, and with a 4cy in the car, the car is very lightweight (your 318i with the M10 is somewhere aroudn 2400lbs stock). Plus the M10 can take tons of boost if you go that direction. What is wrong with the M10 that it won't run? They're pretty simple engines, and there is a lot of knowledge of them (and parts) from the 2002 guys who have them as well.

The ETA - yeah, it doesn't rev real high. But it has a crapload of torque. We race an ETA car and you do a lot of rowing through gears, but it's still a stout engine and believe it or not a lot of Chumpcar teams run them in enduro racing.

The easiest swaps are of the engines that came in the car: M10, M20 (B25, B27, etc), or M42. All of them are essentially bolt-in other than some wiring and coolant hoses. All of them are perfectly fine engines.

If I was in your position, I'd just run the M10, sell the ETA, and use the money to pick up some go-fast parts for the car.

One thing I'll also mention: Your 318 probably has rear drum brakes, while the 325 should have discs. Swap the entire rear trailing arms/hubs/brakes off the ETA and onto your 318. It's pretty easy, you just need a different ebrake cable (IIRC).

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
1/1/15 7:09 p.m.

btw, the 1.9 from the Z3 or e36 318 is the M44. The 1.8 from the '91 e30 318 is the M42. The M42 makes a bit more power, and has forged internals (vs. cast in the M44). The M44 has better timing gear (which can be swapped into an M42).

But if you don't like the M10, you won't really like the M42/M44 either.

M030
M030 Dork
1/1/15 7:24 p.m.

In reply to irish44j:

thanks! The stock 4cyl runs fine - it's just slow. That said, I'll probably just swap in the rear disc brakes and sport seats from the 325e, then drive it as is

carbon
carbon Dork
1/1/15 7:30 p.m.

How about a junkyard turbo setup?

gearheadE30
gearheadE30 Reader
1/1/15 7:45 p.m.
irish44j wrote: btw, the 1.9 from the Z3 or e36 318 is the M44. The 1.8 from the '91 e30 318 is the M42. The M42 makes a bit more power, and has forged internals (vs. cast in the M44). The M44 has better timing gear (which can be swapped into an M42). But if you don't like the M10, you won't really like the M42/M44 either.

Close. The 1991 318i and 318is are M42. The 1992-1995 e36 318i, 318is, and the 1995 318ti are also M42s, but they are somewhat different than the E30 engine, namely in the intake, cams, valves, valve springs, and I believe non-forged internals. 1996+ cars were M44s, which are a different beast entirely.

The M42 is a big improvement over the M10 in an E30, but if you're going to the trouble of doing a swap, I'd just do a six cylinder of some sort. I have a turbo M42 E30 that is plenty quick enough for me, but I'm still not sure it would beat a new Sienna in a drag race. Even at low boost, that was too much for the stock small case diff, so really any mods will require putting a medium case in. Large cases from E32s and E34s don't fit, btw.

My vote, personally, would be to turbo the M10. It's easy to do, well proven, and there are people making well over 300 whp on a stock bottom end. Look around on E30tech for boost stuff, and r3vlimited for everything else.

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
1/1/15 8:59 p.m.
gearheadE30 wrote:
irish44j wrote: btw, the 1.9 from the Z3 or e36 318 is the M44. The 1.8 from the '91 e30 318 is the M42. The M42 makes a bit more power, and has forged internals (vs. cast in the M44). The M44 has better timing gear (which can be swapped into an M42). But if you don't like the M10, you won't really like the M42/M44 either.
Close. The 1991 318i and 318is are M42. The 1992-1995 e36 318i, 318is, and the 1995 318ti are also M42s, but they are somewhat different than the E30 engine, namely in the intake, cams, valves, valve springs, and I believe non-forged internals. 1996+ cars were M44s, which are a different beast entirely.

lol, I was thinking about that the moment I hit "post" and then walked out into the garage. I always forget the later M42 with the different IM, non-forged internals, and the different timing chain hardware is stil l an M42, vice M44. Old habits of wrong information die hard :) Thanks for clarifying to him.

The main point I was trying to make was that the e30 M42 is the best of the 4cyl BMW engines, IMO (not counting the brand-new ones).

M030
M030 Dork
1/2/15 8:35 a.m.

In reply to turboswede:

THIS. An all-BMW V8 E30 could be incredible. Thanks!

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
1/2/15 8:43 a.m.
M030 wrote: In reply to turboswede: THIS. An all-BMW V8 E30 could be incredible. Thanks!

BMW V12 e30 has been done as well, FYI

Inasmuch as there are many e30 experts here, you should spend some time browsing the swap forum (broken down by engine swap type) and/or car build forum on R3vlimited. There are extensively documented threads on pretty much any engine (BMW or otherwise) that has ever been swapped into an e30. LSx, 2JZ, Ford 5.0, whatever.

2002maniac
2002maniac Dork
1/2/15 12:31 p.m.

You'll probably want to swap the front suspension from the 325e as well. The early 318i has small solid discs and smaller struts. The larger vented discs from the 325e will swap right over.

turboswede
turboswede GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
1/2/15 2:13 p.m.
M030 wrote: In reply to turboswede: THIS. An all-BMW V8 E30 could be incredible. Thanks!

If you were closer, I'd sell you my 94 740iL for stupid cheap and you could pull the motor and whatever else you'd need for your project.

M030
M030 Dork
1/2/15 2:13 p.m.

In reply to 2002maniac:

Thank you, will do

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