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Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager, Grassroots Motorsports & Classic Motorsports
6/10/16 10:03 a.m.

Lesley, I meant to ask what the Canuckighetto thing was all about.

Margie

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/10/16 10:55 a.m.

Different car specs, possibly?

ultraclyde
ultraclyde UberDork
6/10/16 11:02 a.m.
Robbie wrote: Sooo, IF in fact the fiat looks more like the NC than the ND, what does that mean in design language? Could it mean that more people will more likely initially like the looks of the fiat because they are 'used to' the looks of the NC? Could it mean that the looks of the fiat will become dated more quickly?

Interesting point. I kind of agree that looks more like the NC. Kind of like it might be where you expected Mazda to take the design instead of where they went. I'm not sure it will look dated more quickly though. If anything, I think that the Fiat design has more "classic" design references (due to the retroness) than the ND. It's possible that the cutting edge ND design will make it look dated more quickly because it is so unique and therefore indicative of a very specific time period.

In either case, I'll take an Abarth with the recaros. Color TBD. At least, I will if someone decides to total my paid-for Mustang.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/10/16 11:16 a.m.

You know there are other ways to cash out a car other than having it totaled, right?

ZOO
ZOO GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
6/10/16 11:23 a.m.

It is too bad that the design is so meh . . . too much overhang. Too long and narrow. The ND is so much more zesty looking.

Furious_E
Furious_E GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
6/10/16 12:04 p.m.
ZOO wrote: It is too bad that the design is so meh . . . too much overhang. Too long and narrow. The ND is so much more zesty looking.

I definitely agree that the ND looks better than the Fiat does in pictures, however I'd have to see one in person before passing final judgement. Did not like the ND's design at all prior to seeing one in the flesh, but it's since really grown on me.

Chris_V
Chris_V UberDork
6/10/16 12:11 p.m.

I've seen the ND in person, and the Fiat's styling, in pictures, looks soooo much better to me, and really gives a retro feeling without actually being retro. It really calls to mind the '70s 124s.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
6/10/16 12:14 p.m.

How about the exhaust note? Is it abarth 500 tractory?

Lesley
Lesley PowerDork
6/10/16 12:16 p.m.

In reply to Fueled by Caffeine:

Yes, it's dirty. And if you get the optional Mopar exhaust and pretty anodized bypass valve - it's porn.

Lesley
Lesley PowerDork
6/10/16 12:17 p.m.

In reply to Marjorie Suddard:

It's a conspiracy. They don't want us talking about our free health care and bathroom sharing.

CrashingTiger
CrashingTiger None
6/10/16 12:22 p.m.

Tom, in the preview thread, you mentioned being able to piece meal options on any trim car. Does that mean I could add the Abarth suspension and lsd to a classica?

Also, as much as I like the Fiat, all Mazda has to do is add more power and a better transmission and they would have it locked up for me.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
6/10/16 12:27 p.m.
Lesley wrote: In reply to Fueled by Caffeine: Yes, it's dirty. And if you get the optional Mopar exhaust and pretty anodized bypass valve - it's porn.

you have made me so happy..

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/10/16 12:29 p.m.

Pricing and build options are on the Fiat website: http://www.fiatusa.com/hostc/bmo/CUX201707/models.do?

RexSeven
RexSeven UberDork
6/10/16 12:31 p.m.
Fueled by Caffeine wrote: How about the exhaust note? Is it abarth 500 tractory?

Have a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/SSDkcByCWOE

mblommel
mblommel GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
6/10/16 12:36 p.m.

Don't like the FIAT styling, but it looks the least offensive in black.

stroker
stroker SuperDork
6/10/16 12:45 p.m.

I'll be so happy when the styling fad of "jowls" goes away....

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
6/10/16 12:47 p.m.

Me likey sounds.

revrico
revrico GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
6/10/16 12:59 p.m.

Oh god, I need a smoke after hearing that exhaust. It just screams "beat on me" so well.

Kreb
Kreb GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
6/10/16 1:11 p.m.

I'm sure that the Mazda and Fiat designers are really happy that people tend to prefer one or the other. There's a clear classic-versus-cutting-edge thing going on. They've made the twins just enough "non-identical" that they are less likely to cannibalize each others sales. I don't get that same feeling when I look at the BRZ twins.

ZOO
ZOO GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
6/10/16 1:35 p.m.
Chris_V wrote: I've seen the ND in person, and the Fiat's styling, in pictures, looks soooo much better to me, and really gives a retro feeling without actually being retro. It really calls to mind the '70s 124s.

I based my opinion on having seen and sat in both. The Fiat is really derivative in person, in my humble opinion.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/10/16 3:08 p.m.
Kreb wrote: I'm sure that the Mazda and Fiat designers are really happy that people tend to prefer one or the other. There's a clear classic-versus-cutting-edge thing going on. They've made the twins just enough "non-identical" that they are less likely to cannibalize each others sales. I don't get that same feeling when I look at the BRZ twins.

I can't even remember which of the twins is a Toyota, a Scion or a Subaru. I don't think anyone will have that problem with the Fiata.

IndyJoe
IndyJoe Dork
6/10/16 3:18 p.m.

Sounds Amazing !

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/10/16 3:35 p.m.

Hhnnnggggg. That noise.

Possible to put me front end on fiat? If so..... OOOHHHHHH MY!

RexSeven
RexSeven UberDork
6/10/16 4:14 p.m.

Yep, the Abarth sounds sweet. It looks sweet. Hell, the standard 124 Spider looks sweet.

I've always respected but never really wanted a Miata. However, when it comes time to move on from the Evo the nuovo 124 has jumped to the top of the shopping list. The changes Fiat has made make it look more liveable on a day-to-day basis, and I less than three turbochargers. If Fiat ever makes a hardtop variant it will go even higher on the list, but I would not kick a convertible out of the driveway.

irish44j
irish44j UltimaDork
6/10/16 5:40 p.m.

Quick, somebody total one so I can have the drivetrain for my e30 :)

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