The Focus has torque vectoring control on all models starting in 2012. As for the Fiesta, looks like only the Fiesta ST models had it before 2015.
I do notice the torque vectoring control sometimes in my Focus. It is not as aggressive as the clutch pack LSD in my FX16, but nice for a DD.
I guess I haven't... driven a Ford lately.
nepa03focus wrote:MrChaos wrote: I have a 15 Fiesta with the 1.0 and I average 42mpg combined. I have put 18500 miles on it in less than a year no issues so far.That's impressive. Do they take regular?
yes but I use 93. from ford
EcoBoost® Engine The available new 1.0L EcoBoost engine in the 2015 Fiesta generates 123 horsepower* and 125 lb.-ft. of torque. Named the 2013 International Engine of the Year, this turbo-charged, direct-injection power plant is the first-ever three cylinder engine from Ford. It also has a cooling system that generates minimal friction.*Figures achieved using 93-octane fuel.
IMO it needs the 6 speed as the 5 speed isnt geared for fun.
here are the dyno numbers for a stock 1.0
not mine
Completely stock. 2 different 1.0's
87 octane. (~1,500 miles / Feb 19th 2014) 148whp / 150ft-lbs (134whp/136ft-lbs UNCORRECTED)
91 octane. (~800 miles / Jan 10th 2014) 146whp / 139ft-lbs (135whp/129ft-lbs UNCORRECTED)
100 octane Race Fuel. (~1,900 miles / Mar 8th 2014) 162whp / 150ft-lbs (142whp/135ft-lbs UNCORRECTED)
This was on a Mustang Dyno
Wow, those are some nice numbers.
Wouldn't we expect the acceleration figures to be a bit brisker with ~145fwhp+? http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-ford-fiesta-10l-ecoboost-test-review
In reply to Snrub:
That's probably due in part to economy biased gearing of the 5 speed, which the 6-speed from a Fiesta ST or 1.0L Focus could possibly help provide both the same economy and more sport. I have also heard that 'overboost' is only available in higher gears...As would be more likely seen on the highway, or a dyno, but not for the 0-60 jaunt. If that's the case, the icing on the cake would be if Ford released a Ford Racing tune for the 1.0L that at least allows for the same overboost to be available in all gears.
Why do people post "corrected" figures for turbo cars? That is out and out lying. The turbo corrects for the reduced outside air pressure at altitude.
It is ESPECIALLY disingenuous on engines that use torque modeling for engine control!
Snrub wrote: Wouldn't we expect the acceleration figures to be a bit brisker with ~145fwhp+? http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-ford-fiesta-10l-ecoboost-test-review
145hp makes about-right sense for a car that heavy that is that reliant on the turbo to make power. It's like a nonturbo 2nd-gen RX-7, except a turbo-like power delivery.
nepa03focus wrote: I never had a problem with the sync in either, I think a lot of the bad rap it got was from non tech savy people that just didn't want to learn how to use it.
This sums up the whole problem with these crappy cars and their goofy radios.....the folks who build them have the same mentality, i.e. they don't see anything wrong with forcing people to "learn" how to turn on the radio. I use these cars almost everyday for work and it's like some kind of Chinese / millennial torture test to go from am to fm or to change the audio settings. Because kids now are too cool for the simplicity, knobs I guess? I don't know. Plus ford can't figure out how to make a car with an automatic accelerate from a stop without the whole car bucking back and forth. Other than that they're fine.
plance1 wrote:nepa03focus wrote: I never had a problem with the sync in either, I think a lot of the bad rap it got was from non tech savy people that just didn't want to learn how to use it.This sums up the whole problem with these crappy cars and their goofy radios.....the folks who build them have the same mentality, i.e. they don't see anything wrong with forcing people to "learn" how to turn on the radio. I use these cars almost everyday for work and it's like some kind of Chinese / millennial torture test to go from am to fm or to change the audio settings. Because kids now are too cool for the simplicity, knobs I guess? I don't know. Plus ford can't figure out how to make a car with an automatic accelerate from a stop without the whole car bucking back and forth. Other than that they're fine.
I don't agree. I'm far from a tech savvy person, I just don't have interest in it. But I consider myself a fairly smart guy. It's not that I don't know how to use the Sync systems' basic functions. The more in depth stuff, sure, I'm clueless on that. But basics I've got covered. However, the Sync system is just not very good. It won't sync my phone automatically. It sometimes is very, very slow to respond to radio station changes. A few other glitches that I wouldn't expect with the cheapest off the shelf Best Buy laptop. I'm not impressed.
I also think people far overstate the auto trans bucking thing. Yes, it's odd and not what you'd expect. But it's not like the whole car bucks back and forth where the person behind you thinks you're a newbie at driving a manual. It's not THAT bad.
FWIW, we're starting to see Fiestas here at the post-dealership level for reflashes for shudder.
Knurled wrote: FWIW, we're starting to see Fiestas here at the post-dealership level for reflashes for shudder.
the auto's I guess? Never buy a fiesta or focus auto with the powershift transmission.
MrChaos wrote:Knurled wrote: FWIW, we're starting to see Fiestas here at the post-dealership level for reflashes for shudder.the auto's I guess? Never buy a fiesta or focus auto with the powershift transmission.
I thought I read that they put a 100k mile warranty on the power shift transmissions I may be wrong though.
In reply to nepa03focus:
all the negative reviews I see for the Fiesta are all relating to the auto. Hence my 1.0/5speed combo with the convenience package for the heated cloth seats.
<the auto's I guess? Never buy a fiesta or focus auto with the powershift transmission.
I thought I read that they put a 100k mile warranty on the power shift transmissions I may be wrong though.
I've got the 7 year 100,000 mile warranty on my Focus an it's 5 speed, but that may be part of the CPO program.
Warranties are nice, but if your car is in the shop, it's an inconvenience.
Ford sold over 200,000 Focus' in the US in 2015. There are hundreds of complaints on the internet about the automated manual transmissions problems. The repair statistic appears high, but in relation to the amount of cars sold, it sounds like there are more out there that work properly.
A lot of the complaints are because of the difference.
It is not the typical TC automatic. One person even said Ford was lying, that it was not an automatic transmission.
CSP 14M01 program, states that the shudder is caused by fluid contamination from a leaking transmission input shaft seal. They will replace the seal and the clutches . The warranty covers 7 years or 100,000 miles from the warranty start date which ever occurs first. Coverage is automatically transferred to subsequent owners.
All of the above was taken from my letter from Ford, dated August 2014 for my 2013 Fiesta. The shudder is so minor that I hardly notice it. If it gets worse I am covered. 42K on the 2011, now 32600 on the 2013.
The shudder in mine comes and goes. It really doesn't bother me. However I am going to take it in for the service to be fixed while it's still under warranty.
I know at least 2 people who have a Focus with the transmission shudder issue but haven't done anything about it because they didn't know it's not supposed to do that and/or they can't be bothered.
I'm sure there are a lot out there that have the problem but haven't been brought in for repair, therefore don't make it into the repair statistics.
While we haven't had any glaring issues with my wifes 2012 Focus automatic transmission, and have tried to defend it to others and myself in the past, I was just thinking the other day, while driving my Mazda 5 with a "dumb" automatic, how I much prefer the predictable behavior of my car. We had really bad shuddering early on, the TCM had a problem and was replaced under warranty and it was more livable after that. We have something like 140k miles on the car now.
Quite simply the Focus DCT is slow to react, and almost constantly "thinking" in terms of good fuel economy all of the time and in too high a gear when you are trying to accellerate. Sure, I give it 1000 miles to "learn" my driving style it might behave better. Switching it into Sport mode is only a slight improvement of holding gears longer. Its my wifes car, I rarely am behind the wheel, but she complains about the transmission behavior as well.
To me its easier and more pleasant to have a "dumb" regular automatic, that I learn its nuances, then know how to use my foot to get the transmission to do what I want it to.
The Ford computerized DCT supposedly is constantly learning your driving habits, and apparently constantly trying to please you. I think it just overthinks things too much. Turn off your brain and just drive, Ford.
And that is why we see it in the post-dealer level. People ignore it, or warranties age-out or mileage-out before the problem manifests. (How often would a shudder in 1st happen for a vehicle that runs 40k per year on the highway?)
For what it's worth, our trans guys say that they have reflashed a bunch of the PowerShift transmissions for the 1st gear shudder and every one was fixed without having to replace parts.
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