Formula 1-2022 Season

I have no idea what channel it's on for me, I just tell the TV to find it and record it........

I wonder how "Alpeen" will react to Gasly's meltdown over his brake issues? A fierce competitor wanting to fight or a prima donna airing out the team issues in public? They could be in for an interesting year next season between this and the potential friction between their two drivers. 

Vettel did a hell of a job to come 9th, I hope he finishes well too.

Mick did out qualify Kmag, so he has that going for him...........which is nice.

I think the Alpine/Big Mac fight will go to the end of the season. Alpine has been ahead most of the year, so I think they deserve it, but I give it to Lando for staying in there hard - if Danny Ricky Bobby had had a better year they might have gone ahead.

In reply to Advan046 :

Instead of recording it, I watch the replay either on the ESPN app or on the web.  Both I can project on my tv.  

I'm going to bed.  I hate unknown schedules, and this rain is going to be a pain.

That was a pretty awkward post race interview.  Just kind of a "oh, by the way, come back here...  You're the world champion.  Okay, back to Charles...."

In reply to wae :

I think the post race room was more awkward with that separate room with the red chair lol

Glad I didn't stay up for that.  It would have been easier to get up early.

It would have been a lot more fun if other drivers tried what Alonso did.

adam525i said:

In reply to wae :

I think the post race room was more awkward with that separate room with the red chair lol

That was like something out of a Leslie Nielson movie or something!  I love how he sat there for a few seconds and got up, saying that he felt lonely in there.

I suppose if, say, Lewis came in for fresh tires with 15 minutes to go, it might have started a cascade of pit stops, which would have evened everything out, but  Alonso was cookin' on those fresh inters at the end.

Not a Max fan, but he's spent the season  kicking ass and taking names.  He deserves his first non-asterisk championship.

Yeah he deserved this championship without a doubt. Whipped everyone. That said this season just wasn't fun for me. I know some is because most of the drivers I like struggled but the FIA trying to broaden the appeal is giving me the creeps. The race director crap from last year has made this year extra weird. I'll be glad when this season wraps up and we can try again next year. I hope they don't jump the shark and end up with a E36 M3 series like NASCAR. 

I actually stayed up. Some good racing but not enough to make up for the two hour wait.

So given how little they want to drive on full wet tires, can we just eliminate those, and stop thinking that F1 runs in any weather?  The conditions were fine for full wets, as far as I could see.  But they waited until the conditions were for inters.  Same for the race in Singapore.  There seems little point in having those tires and adjustments for them given how they never run in those conditions anymore.

In reply to alfadriver :

My take was there were 3 sections with rivers running across the track. Even with rains would be an issue. They waited for those to subside before putting them out.

In reply to Tom1200 :

I don't disagree, but pretty much whenever it is wet enough to run the full wet tires, they don't run.  So save some money and don't have Pirelli make them.

alfadriver said:

In reply to Tom1200 :

I don't disagree, but pretty much whenever it is wet enough to run the full wet tires, they don't run.  So save some money and don't have Pirelli make them.

But then I won't get to stay up till 1 AM.........

They could have started on full wets today for the original start but everyone knew after a lap of the wets the intermediate would be faster so just went with that. Weather that justifies the full wets right now has unsafe levels of visibility so they don't get used. 

I hope they adjust the wet tires next year though, make the new wets just a bit more aggressive than the current intermediates and the new intermediates somewhere between the current intermediates and a slick. When there is a wet track you will need to be on the wets as the intermediates won't be enough like they are now. Once a dry line starts to form then the intermediates should come into play.

adam525i said:

 Weather that justifies the full wets right now has unsafe levels of visibility so they don't get used. 

 

That's my point.

And I'm totally ok with them not running under those conditions- you can't see much.   And if a stream gets deep enough, you won't be able to see it. 

So just save the money, and not do the full wets and not run if they are needed.  

adam525i said:

They could have started on full wets today for the original start but everyone knew after a lap of the wets the intermediate would be faster so just went with that. Weather that justifies the full wets right now has unsafe levels of visibility so they don't get used. 

I hope they adjust the wet tires next year though, make the new wets just a bit more aggressive than the current intermediates and the new intermediates somewhere between the current intermediates and a slick. When there is a wet track you will need to be on the wets as the intermediates won't be enough like they are now. Once a dry line starts to form then the intermediates should come into play.

The tires aren't the only problem causing the spray/visibility problem.  The ground effects literally suck the water from the track into the air, much worse than the old cars.

So what should Red Bull's punishment be for exceeding the cost cap? 

I think at a minimum they should lose all the money they received for the WCC. 

You mean to tell me an organization like that can't keep track of their finances? Come on.....

z31maniac said:

So what should Red Bull's punishment be for exceeding the cost cap? 

I think at a minimum they should lose all the money they received for the WCC. 

You mean to tell me an organization like that can't keep track of their finances? Come on.....

Now we find out if the cap has any bite.  

I'm betting it wont.   And that will be sad, because the top 3 will remain the top 3.  (let alone the influence on the violation on last year's rather controversial championship)

alfadriver said:

z31maniac said:

So what should Red Bull's punishment be for exceeding the cost cap? 

I think at a minimum they should lose all the money they received for the WCC. 

You mean to tell me an organization like that can't keep track of their finances? Come on.....

Now we find out if the cap has any bite.  

I'm betting it wont.   And that will be sad, because the top 3 will remain the top 3.  (let alone the influence on the violation on last year's rather controversial championship)

From the report, it's less than 5%.  At 5%, that would be $7.25 million.  Maybe reduce the driver points by the percentage amount and remove that from their budget for next year?  So, if it was the full 5%, take whatever they end up with at the end of the year and remove 5% of that.  Then, remove 5% from their (I guess it would be current, but maybe future) budget.  All other teams can spend $145million, but RB can only spend $137,750,000.

Still wouldn't make a difference in points, but seems like it would be a good punishment.

-Rob

rob_lewis said:

alfadriver said:

z31maniac said:

So what should Red Bull's punishment be for exceeding the cost cap? 

I think at a minimum they should lose all the money they received for the WCC. 

You mean to tell me an organization like that can't keep track of their finances? Come on.....

Now we find out if the cap has any bite.  

I'm betting it wont.   And that will be sad, because the top 3 will remain the top 3.  (let alone the influence on the violation on last year's rather controversial championship)

From the report, it's less than 5%.  At 5%, that would be $7.25 million.  Maybe reduce the driver points by the percentage amount and remove that from their budget for next year?  So, if it was the full 5%, take whatever they end up with at the end of the year and remove 5% of that.  Then, remove 5% from their (I guess it would be current, but maybe future) budget.  All other teams can spend $145million, but RB can only spend $137,750,000.

Still wouldn't make a difference in points, but seems like it would be a good punishment.

-Rob

That would give Hammy title. But I think the team needs to be punished more than the driver.

A few million isn't that big of a deal. They need to make an example of RBR, if not, what's the point of having a cap?

In reply to rob_lewis :

I would think penalties exceeding the overspend is required.

kevlarcorolla said:

In reply to rob_lewis :

I would think penalties exceeding the overspend is required.

 

Exactly.  Otherwise the over spend will be used strategically just like the powertrain swaps are used- with their regressive penalties.  That one really drives me crazy anymore.

Penalties need to be worse than the offense. 

Based on how little improvements have been made to the mercs and ferraris relative to red bull it would seem their staying true to the budget cap.

In before RB claims the car they lost at Silverstone was worth 7.5 mil...  

But really, where was the overspend?  If a team budgets 125 for the year with 25 for accidents, blowups, etc. and then has an atrocious year, should that count against them?  Take Haas, for example.  Assume that they actually have 150 to spend and they go all out for this car and leave very little for the "oops" moments.  Mick writes off a chassis at Saudi and Ferrari gives them a few bum engines and they are over the cap, lose points, lose development hours, lose dollars on the next years' budget...only for it to get worse the next year.