Keith Tanner wrote:Greg_E wrote:Not well enough. Cycle fender mounts sucked on the original Lotus Seven and they suck today. We need to come up with a bombproof mount that doesn't jitter constantly.Keith Tanner wrote: Guess what I'm driving home tonight? Cue the maniacal laughter.How did you guys mount the fenders?
I was thinking of using Rubber backed P clips (2 per mount) on my car. Is that what you guys are using?
I think I found some long tubes that may actually fit the exo chassis and clear the steering shaft. Hmm
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Greg_E wrote:Keith Tanner wrote:I was thinking of using Rubber backed P clips (2 per mount) on my car. Is that what you guys are using?Greg_E wrote:Not well enough. Cycle fender mounts sucked on the original Lotus Seven and they suck today. We need to come up with a bombproof mount that doesn't jitter constantly.Keith Tanner wrote: Guess what I'm driving home tonight? Cue the maniacal laughter.How did you guys mount the fenders?
We tried that and the car rejected a fender after delivery. The stays need to be stronger as well.
Agreed, the stays need to be stronger. I took mine off as it wasn't as strong as I would have liked.
How are they not strong enough? Are they bending or moving around too much?
The only cycle fenders I have ever seen that didn't vibrate unacceptably were on a street legal dune buggy I had in high school. The cap on the hub was replaced with a seal and the spindle nut with a short chunk of tubing with threads cut on the inside. The fender had bracing on both sides of the wheel and was rock steady.
Of course it was a VW based buggy, and the fender bracket made the speedometer inoperable, but you can't have everything.
Keith Tanner wrote:hockey930 wrote: People who used NA doners, what are you using for fuel lines? I see that exomotive offers and NB1 fuel line setup but nothing for the NA.FM has a bolt-on fuel line setup for NA, NB1 and NB2 donors. Call to order.
Is that the full fuel system upgrade listed on the page? It's a lot of stuff but made my bottox pucker when I saw the end price. Not that I don't think it's worth it, probably just a bit overkill for my build is.
I got impatient and started ordering a bunch of stuff. Just got my 6an line in the mail and I guess now waiting on lots of little adapters to come from everywhere.
No, it's the system that's not listed on the page. Thus my suggestion to call to order. The Big Fuel Kit listed is what you need to support 450+ HP on E85. Total overkill for most people. The Exocet setup is a subset of it, using many of the same external lines but without the expense of the upgraded pump, regulator and fuel rail.
Too bad you didn't call. We probably could have saved you some money.
The stays vibrate badly. I've got a different stay design on my Locost and...they vibrate badly. The problem is that you just can't get any strength in them while also leaving room for the wheel and tire. I think a well done carbon fibre design would do the trick but it would cost real money.
Keith Tanner wrote: No, it's the system that's not listed on the page. Thus my suggestion to call to order. The Big Fuel Kit listed is what you need to support 450+ HP on E85. Total overkill for most people. The Exocet setup is a subset of it, using many of the same external lines but without the expense of the upgraded pump, regulator and fuel rail. Too bad you didn't call. We probably could have saved you some money. The stays vibrate badly. I've got a different stay design on my Locost and...they vibrate badly. The problem is that you just can't get any strength in them while also leaving room for the wheel and tire. I think a well done carbon fibre design would do the trick but it would cost real money.
I can't send all of my paychecks to you guys.... just most of them ;-)
SteadFast wrote: Agreed, the stays need to be stronger. I took mine off as it wasn't as strong as I would have liked.
My thoughts on fender mounting:
- The fender needs to be well supported in every axis (x,y&z) so the design has to insure positive location and resistance to movement and rotation in each of those planes. This bracket design has horizontal and vertical elements and mounts to a conveniently flat suspension upright, which I was lucky to have (RCR Razor). It provides good stability in every axis. It requires strategically placed bolts into the drilled and threaded aluminum upright.
- The fiberglass is stiff in some ways but needed support toward the center of the section. This shows the internal angles with welded on mounting studs and rivets plus epoxy (for minimum internal interference). I have also added little gussets at the internal angle but they are not shown in this photo.
- The main mounting brackets are external/away from the tire. Square tube makes it far easier to be accurate. I can’t weld thinner wall steel or aluminum but these brackets only weigh about 15oz each (with .0625 wall, .75” steel tube).
These are very solid and, with nyloc nuts and titebond in the aluminum will not loosen.
I will buy a set of those!
Swank Force One wrote:SuperEvilGenius wrote: Just Curious I have been watching a few builds and it seems like most people need to Dimple the Headers to get them to clear the Steering Shaft ..... I am planning on Building my Exocet Naturally Aspirated to get it sorted Suspension and any Gremlins out then go with either your FM II kit or the ROTAX Supercharger from Track Dog I really liked the Black Box Exocet that was at Laguna with the ROTAX on it but your Stuff is so well sorted it is a tough choice that is why I will wait on that decision. Thanks for your Input.Those Racing Beat headers actually come with the dimple i do believe. At least mine did.
Swank so you had no Issues with Clearance to the Steering Shaft? That is Great to Hear ..... any Pictures? How Much Clearance did you Have?
I'm working on some better fender brackets. I made a bunch of clamps to grab the bracket rods better than the original p-clips (see pic), but I think the brackets that the 1/2" rods are welded to need a redesign. Most of the wobble and flex comes from the 1/8" plates, so my plan is to switch to some 3/16" plates, with an L-profile where possible. I'd also like them to grab 2 bolts each (some only use 1 caliper bolt). Will put up pics when I make some progress.
Can't wait to see what you are working on.
Any Exocet builders looking to adorn their car in some unobtainium?
Blackboxmotorsport I saw that on FB its destined for an Exocet I hope, just not mine on my current budget. Oh how I wish it was under my CF hood!
Seems a K would be the better choice then an 8k vanilla mazda motor.
dietcoke a K is my first choice personally just for the weight reduction to get car to 50/50 balance or a J for cool Vtec V6 torque on budget. I think i made the K a difficult fit by narrowing my tunnel. I believe the exhaust comes downthe passenger side of the tunnel or has to hang very low to get back over to drivers side. Am i wrong on this? What are the numbers on a sorted VVT Miata motor? Without a fully built motor how can we get redline up as high as Vtec or the unicorn set up Blackboxmotorsportis selling?
High redline: cams, valvesprings, rods, headwork. The Miata heads just don't seem to like to breathe up there.
I may have mentioned this. We're going to be re-powering our Exocet - we needed the engine. We have a high compression stroker that's good for 8000 rpm and 175 rwhp available to go in...but it's not a realistic engine for a shop that sells parts. Instead, we're going to bolt on an FM II turbo. Easy, powerful and less expensive. It's more representative of what our customers are going to be interested in. Pity, the stroker would have been fun.
You know... I don't think I got that parts list to Brandon he asked about. The discussion was about all the little tweaks to the FMII for the Exocet.
runs off to check sent email folder
I need to sneak into the impound lot and take off the "n't".
First time I've ever let someone borrow her for the day. Sigh.
Looks like I might finally get to build an Exocet of my own.
I actually had a long discussion with V8r the other day, and have a set of their lsx long tubes on the way with a rearward mount subframe (not exocet typical). Word is, they will fit. We shall see. She's going to want to breathe. Hopefully my chassis is done this month!
Warren - is it too early to call dibs on parts from your car? ;)
Dietcoke wrote: I actually had a long discussion with V8r the other day, and have a set of their lsx long tubes on the way with a rearward mount subframe (not exocet typical). Word is, they will fit. We shall see. She's going to want to breathe. Hopefully my chassis is done this month!
We built the XXXocet with a rear mount subframe. No problem there.
The long tubes are not an easy fit, we had to alter them in order to avoid interference with the subframe itself.
I find that odd. V8R said the long tubes fit the subframe fine (they've been in enough miata swaps certainly). I thought you used your house headers on the lsa car. Either way, I'm going to document all of this, since no one has really bothered to document much v8 swap stuff. Hopefully it can help some others down the road
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