There is a guy near me selling a pretty nice stock '01 Celica GTS 6-spd for $4900 with 130k miles. He bought it for his fiancee and she doesn't like it.
It's a lot easier to find non-modded Celicas than Integras. Hell...it's damn near impossible to find a non-modded Integra.
lnlds wrote: are there any problems with the transmission for the integras with pop-out and whatnot? how reliable is a high mileage 1zz?
In my experience I've not seen any pop out issues with Honda transmissions unless the transmission has been victim of extreme torture and no longer has synchros.
1zz.. it's a Toyota. They are built to run for almost ever.
"It's a lot easier to find a non-modded Celica...."
Yes it is, because finding any mods for Celicas is so hard.
As a former Integra owner, I will admit that one reason why I hesitated to buy another is that they are the '55 Chevy of the late 20th/early 21st century. That is, finding one in "stock" condition AND with lowish miles is very difficult. That said, there are at least 5 or 6 mid-late '90s Integras for sale here in North Florida on CL. A few are "modded" but there are more that in the ads appear to be non-modded. Same goes with Miatas. A few in this area are modded, 1 or 2 heavily, but most are not.
Avoid any Honda built car (Honda or Acura) where the seller says it has a gear "pop-out" or a gear flat won't engage. Hondas are tough cars, and it takes a LOT of thrashing for them to develop gearbox problems.
^Finding mods for the 7th gen celica is cake. There's actually a decent aftermarket for them. You want a full Cusco suspension? Go get it.
I find the Integras prone to 3rd gear synchro issues, but i attribute that to the owners rather than any fault of the car.
The 1zzfe is a corolla motor. It'll run. and run. and run. and run.
So will a properly cared for B18.
My son just went through this, and was originally set on the Celica. He ended up with an 02 RSX and couldn't be happier.
Tyler H wrote: There is a guy near me selling a pretty nice stock '01 Celica GTS 6-spd for $4900 with 130k miles. He bought it for his fiancee and she doesn't like it.
that'd be a winner.
belteshazzar wrote:Tyler H wrote: There is a guy near me selling a pretty nice stock '01 Celica GTS 6-spd for $4900 with 130k miles. He bought it for his fiancee and she doesn't like it.that'd be a winner.
Ditto. I didn't comment when i first saw it because i thought it said "GT" not "GTS."
That's a steal for the GT-S, and that's one of the good years with the higher rev limit.
I looked at Celica GT when I was buying the replacement for my EK and ended up with another Civic. So you can guess where I stand on the idea.
I am attracted to the fact that the integra has more room. I e-mailed a bunch of the sellers and no one seems to keep up with maintenance regarding timing belt/water pump. The seller of the original integra in question did not respond to me. Now the question is 2001 celica for 3700 or semi-rough 94-95 integra for 2200-2800
I can tell my heart really wants an integra though, but bottom line $$ for bringing the cars into reliable DD stage can be very persuasive too.
Rough Hondas bought from the wrong owners can and often are nightmares.
The same is said for the celica, but it's also had 6-7 less years of wrong ownership, potentially.
Both look pretty clean. The Integra has "honda cancer" starting at the rear wheel well.
That GT is a base stripper model. If you must get a GT instead of a GTS, that's the way to go if you plan on modifying it at all. It'll be lighter than the Teg by a good 200lbs or so.
I'd say it'd really be a wash. Drive both and pick whichever you like better. If it were for DD/commuting duties only, i'd just get the newer car.
Since you have two evenly matched choices, spend some time in each one and see which interior would be easier to live with. I like the layout and quality of the acura moreso than the toyota.
integraguy wrote: While not quite the same, I used to own a '92 Integra LS. I've never driven a FWD Celica (did drive my sister's '80 ST a few times) so I can't compare these 2 cars. However, like previous folks said, better aftermarket support, and insurance I would imagine will be the same. Rust? My '92 had a small bit of rust in the rear wheelwell lips. In 2 years, it never got worse, and it wasn't a massive problem (that I could see, anyway) anywheres else. Admittedly, I've never seen a rusty Celica, but I also don't see many Integras as rusty as mine was. Ride/handling? I will admit that an Integra can seem a bit stiff riding, but I imagine the Celica does, too. Mine, with nearly 200K on the odo still felt nailed to the road. Any downsides? I would think neither car is suitable for folks taller than 6 foot. At 6ft 4 I nearly brushed the headliner of my car and I would have liked another inch of rearward travel to the driver's seat.
I call bull$hit my DD is an integra, I'm 6'4". So long as you don't mind your hair slightly brushing the headliner, it is not a problem. I solved the problem of height though by installing del sol seats, a person that is 6'6" can now comfortable ride in my car.
lnlds wrote: I am attracted to the fact that the integra has more room. I e-mailed a bunch of the sellers and no one seems to keep up with maintenance regarding timing belt/water pump. The seller of the original integra in question did not respond to me. Now the question is 2001 celica for 3700 or semi-rough 94-95 integra for 2200-2800 I can tell my heart really wants an integra though, but bottom line $$ for bringing the cars into reliable DD stage can be very persuasive too.
You'll find that most people that aren't enthusiasts aren't going to do general maintenance unless the car stops running.
If I were you, I'd worry more about the other things, you can always just get the timing belt and water pump done when you buy the car, just figure that extra $600 into the price of the car.
Are you looking for an automatic or a manual? What years are you considering? If the earlier year cars, by now your going to get a car that rattles and squeaks, will need shocks, bushings, etc. Just keep that in mind.
For a more local forum, check out tristatetuners.com
If you want a hand with working on the car after you get it, lmk, I've done alot of work on my integra. I can also point you to a pdf of the factory service manual.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:clutchsmoke wrote: In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac: There are variations in the real world. Not every engine is running at peak performance. There is also gearing that comes into play. I'm too lazy to look it up.Gearing is in Celica's favor. The transmissions attached to the B18B1 was pretty long and is ill-suited for any small-displacement naturally aspirated motor. But yeah, i know real world is different. But stock vs. stock these are almost identical vehicles in straight line speed on paper.
Yes, but once you start adding HP, those long gears make the car more usable for a DD. Its the reason that a 94-01 LS transmission is still sought after, and still roughly priced over a GSR transmission.
digdug18 wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:Yes, but once you start adding HP, those long gears make the car more usable for a DD. Its the reason that a 94-01 LS transmission is still sought after, and still roughly priced over a GSR transmission.clutchsmoke wrote: In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac: There are variations in the real world. Not every engine is running at peak performance. There is also gearing that comes into play. I'm too lazy to look it up.Gearing is in Celica's favor. The transmissions attached to the B18B1 was pretty long and is ill-suited for any small-displacement naturally aspirated motor. But yeah, i know real world is different. But stock vs. stock these are almost identical vehicles in straight line speed on paper.
It's sought after for turbo cars or hypermilers, not much else. It's not a good transmission for an n/a car unless you're talking a 260whp G23 or something. 
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: I find the Integras prone to 3rd gear synchro issues, but i attribute that to the owners rather than any fault of the car.
I co-drive a 415whp Integra in autox (SMF) with a stock gear box. Zero pop-out issues. Yes I hit third gear.
DaveEstey wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: I find the Integras prone to 3rd gear synchro issues, but i attribute that to the owners rather than any fault of the car.I co-drive a 415whp Integra in autox (SMF) with a stock gear box. Zero pop-out issues. Yes I hit third gear.
I just see a lot of hondas with bad 3rd gear synchros. Like i said before, i REALLY think it's because people don't know how to shift rather than any fault of the transmission. They're good transmissions. 
Exactly. abUsed Honda = bad 2nd/3rd synchros, though mine's got 340k and no tranny problems.
A couple other thoughts: I hadn't considered the possibility of non-5-speed being on your radar (op) but autotragics were particularly bad in the Tegs.
Space is pretty amazing for long things. I want to say I've gotten a 10+' stick of moulding in, resting on the pass. side floorboard, and closed the hatch. Not quite as versatile as a 'boxy' hatch, but pretty cool nonetheless.
Oh, and I've got some GSR blades for sale if you're interested.
not considering automatics, but duly noted, you think its big enough for someone 5 9 to camp out in?
I don't truly thing either is big enough to camp out in.
If that's a requirement or even a "want," i'd be looking at the Protege5.
Yeah I would want to camp out in it. You'll do fine height wise with the stock seats though.
I've slept in mine a couple of times, not much room in the front. Even less in the back. If your considering a child in the next 5 years get a 4 door model versus the coupe.
I've put big items in mine by removing the back seats, 2 push lowers at once, and a couch at one point as well. Both times I drove with the hatch up home.
If you do get a automatic, you can get a replacement jdm transmission for $80 in northern jersey, from jdm engine depot.
oh man i went to see the car http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/2425412231.html it was not a pretty sight, I think I have to look at cleaner higher mileage examples now instead
Most of not all of the special edition cars are auto's. And since the seller didn't state it being a manual, I'm guessing its an auto.
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