Everyone, you don't know it but all you ever want in race spectating in MotoGP. http://www.wimp.com/incrediblelap/
Then, google Closer To the Edge, find and watch it. It's a documentary about Martin, McGuinnis, Hutchinson and a couple others quest to win at the Isle of Mann TT. It is mind-blowing.
Trailer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QldZiR9eQ_0
That E36 M3 is all risk, glory, death or madness. It is ALWAYS awesome.
In reply to pushrod36:
I am sure there is a middle ground. I am not advocating for forcing them to use completely stock cars. However, there is little to nothing of a NASCAR Chevy to any Chevy you can buy. At least in the past they used the body, chassis and engine block
I think that MotoGP racing is the most exciting form of racing because they can pass each other more often, open and close gaps faster than other forms of racing. With limited laps, it also makes it easier for the non-racing enthusiast start watching.
Alphadawg wrote: In reply to pushrod36: I am sure there is a middle ground. I am not advocating for forcing them to use completely stock cars. However, there is little to nothing of a NASCAR Chevy to any Chevy you can buy. At least in the past they used the body, chassis and engine block
So what's your point?
They are handbuilt bespoke silhouette racecars.
They are built to go fast and put on a good show for the sponsors.
99% of the FANS DON'T CARE what's inside.
It's like complaining that Pro Wrestlers aren't 'real' combat fighters.
Erohsic's point is completely valid. However, I can't resist quoting something somebody once said on this board during a similar discussion: "If I wanted to watch identical brightly-colored objects go round and round in circles, I'd put Skittles down my john."
Stealthtercel wrote: Erohsic's point is completely valid. However, I can't resist quoting something somebody once said on this board during a similar discussion: "If I wanted to watch identical brightly-colored objects go round and round in circles, I'd put Skittles down my john."
So do you think that about every spec racer series where the driver is more important than the car, from Spec Miata to Formula Ford to...? I'm a car guy, but I love series where the driver's skill is the thing being tested, and there is a lot of skill being tested even on ovals in NASCAR.
Talk about a bunch of identical brightly colored skittles:
and they are slow, too.
In reply to Chris_V:
Also... Who would have thought there were that many secretaries and homosexuals willing to race a car? Color me surprised. 
one thing to keep in mind about the cars raced in the upper levels of NASCAR: they are no more or less "stock" than anything you'll see at a local 3/8 mile dirt track in anything above the lower level bomber classes.
tube chassis? check
easily replaced body panels that only sort of resemble something that was on dealer lots at one time? check
front mounted V8 engine sending power to a rear mounted solid axle? check
the oems do sink a lot of money into their NASCAR race programs, and they get a return on their investment by testing new parts and materials and also circulating their engineers thru the race teams to get them practical hands on problem solving experience in high pressure situations. so even if the actual parts and pieces that are on a Cup Camry won't bolt onto a Camry on a Toyota dealer's lot, they are still learning from their investment.
ultimately, if you don't like it you don't need to watch it. i honestly have no idea about anything that happened in Formula 1 over the last couple of seasons since i don't watch it because i can't stand it.
To add to that, there's very little "production" about a modern production class SCCA sports car, either:
Tube chassis, or semi-tube chassis, lot's of fiberglass body parts, very little "production" about them.
And more of the same Skittles...
Boost_Crazy wrote: I'd love to see a real car racing series. My favorite racing was always the real showroom stock cars, like World Challenge of years ago. The more a series gets away from street cars, the more I lose interest. I don't see how people feel connected to race cars that share nothing but a badge to the car in their driveway. I also don't see what the manufactures get out of it. Here is my ideal race series. Real cars, available to Joe Public for under $30k, raced with nothing more than safety equipment added. Bring back win on Sunday, sell on Monday.
World challenge was kind of fixed. The organizers jiggled weight, juggled homologation of turbos, etc. Some brands lobbied really well and got to win.
I think NSX got to run a turbo didn't they?
I liked it, but heads up racing it was not.
850Combat wrote:Boost_Crazy wrote: I'd love to see a real car racing series. My favorite racing was always the real showroom stock cars, like World Challenge of years ago. The more a series gets away from street cars, the more I lose interest. I don't see how people feel connected to race cars that share nothing but a badge to the car in their driveway. I also don't see what the manufactures get out of it. Here is my ideal race series. Real cars, available to Joe Public for under $30k, raced with nothing more than safety equipment added. Bring back win on Sunday, sell on Monday.World challenge was kind of fixed. The organizers jiggled weight, juggled homologation of turbos, etc. Some brands lobbied really well and got to win.
This was always traditionally a part of racing.
Really I stopped watching racing when every series became about funny cars. Will not start watching again. I did watch world challenge regularly up until a few years ago when I stopp paying for cable tv. The main thing that interested me about racing were homologation series to see what people could do with production vehicles and manufacturers competing against each other trying to find ways to make better cars and advance technology. The designs and engineering going into the sport interested me the most. One year, all of a sudden, someone makes a splash with an interesting creative vehicle. Then you could buy that vehicle and reap the rewards. The NSX comes to mind and the GTR. When everything is about conforming to strict rules and, like in formula one for example, where you can only have turbo V6 engines within strict construction constraints I lose interest. It became about the drivers and not about the cars and it became boring as watching paint dry.
novaderrik wrote: ultimately, if you don't like it you don't need to watch it. i honestly have no idea about anything that happened in Formula 1 over the last couple of seasons since i don't watch it because i can't stand it.
You need to post as much as you can about how much the form of racing you don't care about sucks. 
Seriously, if everyone who hates NASCAR would just go pay to watch the form of racing that is so much better than NASCAR, maybe that series would be as popular as NASCAR. Until then, all we can do is read their posts and "listen" to them complain. It gets tiring.
Kramer wrote:novaderrik wrote: ultimately, if you don't like it you don't need to watch it. i honestly have no idea about anything that happened in Formula 1 over the last couple of seasons since i don't watch it because i can't stand it.You need to post as much as you can about how much the form of racing you don't care about sucks.
The thing is Nascar is on NBC or whatever channel. Those other forms of racing are not. I would have to buy cable tv, pay for that premium channel, and MAYBE get racing. Even then it might not be broadcasted. Like I don't recall WRC ever being an option for me when I had cable.
I watched World Challenge when it was on Speed.
right now, you have more options to watch racing than at any time in the past... if you have basic cable and get the NBC and CBS sports Networks, you can pretty much find something cool and different to watch at any time of the day or night. Velocity also shows some racing, as well as a couple of other channels i can't think of right off the top of my head. Fox Sports 1 and 2 also show a lot of different forms of racing, and you could have all those channels for the cost of less than a single day spent going to an actual race track to watch something in person.
a couple of weeks ago, i was watching trophy trucks in some 12 hour offroad endurance race that was held on a 15 mile course out in the desert that had everything from dunes to mountains in it, and even one part of the course that was mildly flooded from rains the previous day..
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