Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/18/18 4:22 p.m.

Next weekend we should get some 50% off sales at the local junkyards. I'm wanting to cheaply turbocharge a 4.5 liter V8 but not crazy. I'm thinking like 7ish lbs of boost. Finding a single turbo large enough has proven difficult so my turbo math says two turbos from a 2.4 liter engine should work. I've checked and the yard I like has 3 of the low boost ones. Any pitfalls I'm missing?

barefootskater
barefootskater Dork
5/18/18 4:25 p.m.

All I know is I beat a turbo PT convertible in my old Plymouth Horizon. Had me wondering if the turbo badge was real. If it was there it was indeed low boost.

eastsideTim
eastsideTim UberDork
5/18/18 4:29 p.m.

I think the turbo housing on a PT Cruiser may be built into the exhaust manifold.

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/18/18 4:33 p.m.

In reply to eastsideTim :

That would suck. Off to look at pictures.

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
5/18/18 4:33 p.m.

It is built into the manifold.  Mopar guys call them turbofolds.

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/18/18 4:42 p.m.

Looks like they aren't intergrated but that the wastegate is in the manifold?

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/18/18 4:43 p.m.

NM ok then so what turbos now?

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
5/18/18 4:50 p.m.

Chrysler k car or dsm?

Maybe a pair of saab/Volvo turbos.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
5/18/18 5:20 p.m.

You shouldn't be robbing those turbos. You should be snagging the whole engine and stabbing it into a K-car.

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/18/18 5:49 p.m.

I'm thinking an eBay Holset HX35. They're like $130 vs $70 for a pair of used turbos. Just looked at the target vehicle and I don't think I can do twins anyway. 

Trackmouse
Trackmouse UltraDork
5/18/18 7:56 p.m.

Isn’t the rule of thumb take displacement of the engine your robbing from and divide by two? 

So a 4.5L would need some kinda diesel/tank engine 9L. Lol. 

Ive heard China chargers have come a long way

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/18/18 8:10 p.m.

In reply to Trackmouse :

Yeah that's the rule of thumb on stealing diesel turbos. Which is my problem. Not many diesel turbos in the you pull it yards especially big diesels. 

Trackmouse
Trackmouse UltraDork
5/18/18 8:49 p.m.

What about sequential twin turbo? Then you could have a smally and a biggy. 

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
5/18/18 9:19 p.m.

I would imagine a couple of 5 cylinder Volvo turbos would be readily available, about the right size, and they seem to last pretty much forever in an S60.  There are a few different versions, so pay attention there.

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
5/18/18 11:07 p.m.
Stampie said:

I'm wanting to cheaply turbocharge a 4.5 liter V8 

I have no wisdom or words of help but I'm just here to encourage this activity! 

MotorsportsGordon
MotorsportsGordon HalfDork
5/19/18 10:30 a.m.
Trackmouse said:

Isn’t the rule of thumb take displacement of the engine your robbing from and divide by two? 

So a 4.5L would need some kinda diesel/tank engine 9L. Lol. 

Ive heard China chargers have come a long way

Maybe that’s why roadkill rotsun didn’t work too well with a powerstroke diesel turbo on a 4.3 litre v6. Well that and the many other issues the car always has lol.

Cooter
Cooter SuperDork
5/19/18 10:33 a.m.

7.3 stuff pops up in the U-Pulls semi-regularly, and the 12V Cummins guys are pratically giving away their stockers. 

Cooter
Cooter SuperDork
5/19/18 10:34 a.m.

In reply to MotorsportsGordon :

Mostly because it was hacked together garbage. 

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
5/19/18 11:00 a.m.

Try some oem mitsu turbos.  Td05-14b from first gen manual dsm. The first gen auto came with the smaller 13g, can be bought with pennies. Td04-9b fromthe 3000gt vr4. Volvo are known for using little mitsu turbos. They're easy to rebuild and plentiful. There's also k24/26 used by plenty of German autos. 

Big diesel turbos work but just make sure not to get a vgt or vnt turbo. You can usually find hx30 and hy35 for cheap cheap. 

Vigo
Vigo UltimaDork
5/20/18 7:30 p.m.

Maybe that’s why roadkill rotsun didn’t work too well with a powerstroke diesel turbo on a 4.3 litre v6.

I love the RoadKill guys as much as anyone but I know a lot about turbocharging and they...don't. Although i would guess they've come up a LOT after all they've been through.  Anyway, that turbo was the least of their problems.

 

The only cheap and easily repeatable way to get a single turbo sized for a v8 is to get a chinacharger. I concur that they have come a long way. I also have a friend still running a china turbo he bought 10 years ago for $129 with no issues. 

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
5/20/18 7:40 p.m.

In reply to Vigo :

I agree,  because some of the China turbos are running the same parts you buy in (none China) rebuild kits.

Now just don't go thinking you can run a China gt38 in your 7.3 for 100k miles hauling and hitting 17 psi lol

 

Stefan
Stefan GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/20/18 8:31 p.m.

Mitsubishi TE04H from the later Chrysler 2.5L SOHC turbo motors (silver valve cover).  No one wants them due to their size, but for half a 4.5L, they would work well.

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