Keith Tanner, this is just screaming out to you

Mate,

This engine is just crying to be in a Miata

http://www.hp2g.com/homeofhp2g.html

Imagine 400hp, 500 ft lb and 110 mpg................

If you build it, they will come, well I will anyway

Steve

high hp + e85 != high mileage.

I notice they don't show any pics of the actual engine

Wow, there sure isn't much information on the engine. It's a 4.8...and that's it. Lots of pictures of the Mustang, not a single shot of the engine that I can see. No technical data at all. 110 mpg on E85 is pretty impressive though. I wonder what they could do with E10?

They have been getting a lot of press lately, they are opening a production facility about an hour from me, I sent them an email asking for a tour.

Probably don't want to give anything away until they have patents in concrete or the engine is pending deals.

I understand the EPA have tested and verified the mpg

Sounds like a scam to me...

Newsflash! "Miracle engine" inventor moves to undisclosed South American country after securing $15 mil in venture capital!

You guys are being a bit harsh, I emailed them, the business development officer called me back within an hour and is going to set up a meeting next week. I have a vested interest as I run 6 vehicles that each drive about 1000 miles a week.

I am also looking to expand, so with gas on the rise it is worth a look.

He advised me that the car being developed for the engine by Revenge Designs is being built by a fellow Aussie who was a Holden engineer for years.

I will update you guys after I meet with them.

Give me some serious ideas on what to ask them.

aussiesmg wrote: Give me some serious ideas on what to ask them.

Price?

Production capability?

Distribution network?

Parts availibility?

Warranty information?

Engine viability in different vehicle types?

Which part of the military-industrial-big oil complex has come to squash their miracle technology and threaten/buy them off?

aussiesmg wrote: You guys are being a bit harsh,

If it sounds too good to be true.....

aussiesmg wrote: He advised me that the car being developed for the engine by Revenge Designs is being built by a fellow Aussie who was a Holden engineer for years.

That immediately made me think of Peter Brock and his fuel line magnets :) Not the American one, folks...

Can the engine run on regular fuel if required?

How do you calculate MPGe?

How did the EPA verify the claim, and where's the proof?

Dimensions of the engine? Dyno graph?

Sorry, but you show up with a 100 mpg carburetor and claims like 180 mph, 0-60 in three seconds and 400 hp/500 ft-lbs and you won't even pop the hood, there's going to be some skepticism. Looks like they recently pulled out of the X-prize in a snit...but the problem was they were never actually registered in the competition.

Please people, it's a load of crap. He's claiming he added a super special block stiffener to a stock 1987 Mustang and suddenly got 400hp, 110mpg, stains out of the carpet, kids to eat vegetables, lions to sleep with lambs.

Here's a link to his special block girdle that suddenly gets a 5L crank, rods and pistons to live up to 9200 rpm. http://www.horsepowersales.net/

When they had the car on display at the Detroit Auto Show in January, they threatened to call security on anyone who looked too closely or asked any questions. http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=733958&postcount=65

This ranks up there with the 100mpg carburetor, gas line magnets, the tornado, etc. They will get a bunch of uneducated investors, take their money and then claim that big oil kept their technology down and stole all their money, then move on to their next great idea, like mounting a propellor/generator on the roof to charge a battery while you're driving and using the battery to drive the wheels, powering your car for free.

Bob

I also agree that they are full of it. I am almost willing to bet that their numbers are gas mileage for GASOLINE when they are running E85 (discounting the ethanol), otherwise they are MAJORLY full of it as far as the fuel economy.

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Doesn't seem logical in the least. Plus how does E85 reduce our dependancy on foriegn oil? It's 85% gasoline and 15% ethanol, not a huge reduction of oil products by any means. Granted it's a higher octane. Do I have the percentages backwards?

Yep. E85 is 85% ethanol. It is awesome for boosted motors, especially those running things like MS because you can create a specific map to take advantage of it.

Even so, it seems to be a terrible solution and what has led to increased cost for food.

everyone said: SCAM...full of it... they will take investor money and run...

...people said the same thing about Wilbur and Orville as well. Looks like those guys scammed us too huh?(The orvilles were Ohioans too)

What happens if its legit?

Crow pie anyone?

aussiesmg wrote: Probably don't want to give anything away until they have patents in concrete or the engine is pending deals. I understand the EPA have tested and verified the mpg

Thanks for your open mindedness

If that thing could turn 110 mpg, you wouldnt need a cooling system in the car because a lot more of the heat created, would be turned into mechanical work. (Internal combustion gasoline engines generally provide only 30-40% fuel effiency. The rest of it goes out the tail pipe and into the cooling system.)

Until i see some kind of explanation of this impossible sounding performance....

Here is your explanation, one will be at Detroit in January

http://green-trader.info/?p=78

http://issuu.com/dupontregistry/docs/dec09autos/84?zoomed=&zoomPercent=&zoomX=&zoomY=&noteText=&noteX=&noteY=&viewMode=magazine

proof again that on the internets dope springs eternal...

the E85 claims might not be so far off... at least as far as hp is concerned. the Suby people have been experimenting with it for some time now with claims of huge hp gains...

I had a very hard time understanding how a fuel with less energy per unit volume could produce more hp (much less lots more hp) then some one reminded me that alcohol has a MUCH greater resistance to knock than gasoline so they can crank up the boost to ridicules levels... hence the hp gains... as to the mpg claims.... SCAMSCAMSCAMSCAM... can't have both

wbjones wrote: the E85 claims might not be so far off... at least as far as hp is concerned. the Suby people have been experimenting with it for some time now with claims of huge hp gains...

Right, and what mileage do they get?

The problem is the mileage claims, not the power. I know ethynol is way up there in octane, essentially race gas, so it's easy to crank the boost way up - the power's a no-brainer.

The red flag is the amount needed to produce that, and their crazy high claims using such an unaerodyamic car. Have you guys seen what it takes to get 100 mpg? You don't do it in a tank-shaped car.

Ugh, I smell a rat... Reminds me of Shelby's electric supercar, the one that claims to be charged in about 10 minutes, goes 200 mph+, 0-60 in about 3 seconds, and gets the equivalent of something like 200 mpg... All at the same time? uh huh.

Yeah, E85 is basically race fuel. It looooves boost.

But you need lots of it, it has a lower energy density than gasoline.

I checked out the website... it looks like someone's trying real hard to appear legitimate by posting every letter they receive. You know, "Legitimacy through volume of letters from big names." Yet, reading through the letters, they all are simple replies saying, in effect, "Great, let us know how that works out." No actual date to confirm the mileage claims.

The only "proof" of mileage comes from the very company making the claims - not an unbiased outside source. Even the dyno data doesn't mention mileage - which it can't - and just lists emissions... yeah, okay...

Well "my" engine makes twice that mileage...