Guys, come on now, his "wife" wants them to get it, but he's not complaining.
What he means is he wants a Miata and the wife has conceded defeat. Nice try OP, we see through your clever ruse! 
Guys, come on now, his "wife" wants them to get it, but he's not complaining.
What he means is he wants a Miata and the wife has conceded defeat. Nice try OP, we see through your clever ruse!
Tyler H wrote:Will wrote: Meanwhile, a Premium Ecoboost Mustang coupe costs $29,625 and a standard GT costs $32,625. Have Miatas always cost as much as Mustangs? (This is a genuine question, and not a "the new Miata sucks" comment--I always assumed Miatas were a lot cheaper, but I never really paid attention.)That's a lot of change. Don't get me wrong...I love Miatas, but the new Mustang is a lot of car for the same money. Plus there's room for tiny humans and groceries.
Like you said, it's a lot of car for the money. You can't buy a 2300 lb Mustang from the factory no matter how much you pay 
They're different cars.
The 2016 Miata has a lower MSRP than the 1990 did when inflation is taken into account. The 1990 base had steel wheels, no audio system and manual steering. Is the pricing of the 2016 really out of line?
I don't think Mazda botched the new model rollout. In fact, I think the reveal was brilliant - it was right before they started sending out test mules with the real bodywork, so they basically neutered all the spy photographers in one swoop and grabbed a bunch of publicity. Okay, Duran Duran might have been a bad call, but still. Since then, they've been sending out teasers and giving journalists rides in the car that was ready, so there's been a constant stream of new info. So far, everything they've promised has come to pass and the anticipation level for the car is huge.
It's the online Miata fans that have been the biggest pain in the ass. They've been stewing in their own filth of fabricated information and outlandish expectations. Life would have been a lot more pleasant had the car simply appeared in dealerships one sunny day and had 50 hp more than the most optimistic internet commenter could have dreamed up.
Depending on how it feels to drive, I may add one to my own fleet - despite the fact that I'll have access to a couple at work. We'll see. No Launch Edition for me, I'll take a Club with no Brembo package and engineer my own brake setup. I'm even considering downsizing the rotors to save weight, a 2300 lb 155 hp car does not need rotors that are larger than 10".
In reply to Keith Tanner: Really? I didn't realize about the test mules since I don't always read magazines or look for that. I agree, it's more exciting to do the reveal before driving test mules. I think that some of the online Miata fans need to relax and budget a big bag of money for your Supercharger or turbo kit, maybe performance shocks too.
Keith Tanner wrote: Life would have been a lot more pleasant had the car simply appeared in dealerships one sunny day and had 50 hp more than the most optimistic internet commenter could have dreamed up.
A 350hp Miata!?!? 
But yeah, if you want to save money, this is one of those games where the only way to win is not to play - you have to wait it out. On the upside, other people get to beta-test the early models.
GameboyRMH wrote:Keith Tanner wrote: Life would have been a lot more pleasant had the car simply appeared in dealerships one sunny day and had 50 hp more than the most optimistic internet commenter could have dreamed up.A 350hp Miata!?!?
He wants a Launch Edition.
Swank Force One wrote: He wants a Launch Edition.
The options are the same, have your wallet bend over and brace itself, or wait (for a used one).
Mr Tanner, I would say it is not unreasonable to expect a few things in a sports car, like a decent selection of colors. It is a sports car not a GT, they ought to sell it like one. I bet you a coke that Fiat does a FAR better job when they roll out their version.
In reply to BoxheadTim: I would drive to Elk Grove, and I live 5 minutes from the dealership on Auburn Blvd in Sacramento.
The Internet is always an unhappy place when it comes to cars.
HiTempguy wrote: Guys, come on now, his "wife" wants them to get it, but he's not complaining. What he means is he wants a Miata and the wife has conceded defeat. Nice try OP, we see through your clever ruse!
Actually I would like to point out that what happened was that my wife watched some New York Auto Show coverage on the idiot box and decided that either a new MX-5 or the new Alfa 4C Spider would look really good in our garage.
Wallet kinda said no to the 4C...
In reply to Toebra:
Thanks, that's the sort of info that's really helpful!
Dashpot wrote:Tyler H wrote: Have Miatas always cost as much as Mustangs? That's a lot of change. Don't get me wrong...I love Miatas, but the new Mustang is a lot of car for the same money. Plus there's room for tiny humans and groceries.The same debate as Mustang vs MGB 50 years ago. And the answer's the same isn't it?
No debate here, and yes, same answer. I would choose Miata.
I would argue that the 1990 Miata was a quality and engineering marvel compared to the 1990 Mustang 5.0. That gap is quite a bit narrower today.
Maybe I'm just getting old, but $30k is still my benchmark for an Expensive Car, and a Miata was my benchmark for an Affordable Car. Seeing in black and white resulted in a cognitive dissonance / "holy crap! a Miata's a $30k car?" moment.
BoxheadTim wrote:Mr_Clutch42 wrote: Would your wife be willing to wait until the 2017 model year so Mazda can fix some of the engineering flaws?Maybe - I think if we don't end up with a launch edition without price gouging, we'll probably wait at least until we can see how the prices develop. Actually I'll probably end up with a Miata or RX7 in that case and autocross it for Mazdaspeed eligibility.
Old pilots (emphasis on old) have a saying: "Never fly the A model of anything."
In reply to Tyler H:
Well the Miata is the price of an average car, which may seem steep for a toy/hobby/summer car. That's why we all buy used for our play cars right?
My '01 Miata stickered over $26K, so a $4K increase over 15 years with more content seems pretty reasonable to me.
GameboyRMH wrote:Swank Force One wrote: He wants a Launch Edition.The options are the same, have your wallet bend over and brace itself, or wait (for a used one).
The point i was making is that he doesn't win if he waits. He automatically loses.
He's asking how to increase his chances of winning when he plays.
The only relevant info in this entire thread is from Toebra.
From what i understand, price for the car is typically laid out when the deposit is put down. I can't imagine that you'd say "Here's a deposit for a $30k car, let me know when it comes in and you'll get the rest of the money."
Then BAM! "Your car is here, but we're holding it hostage for another $10k."
I really don't think that sort of thing happens. "Market adjustments" happen, but i can't see how they could happen on a car that's already spoken for, AFTER the fact.
2 things, if you leave a deposit, contractually, there has to be an agreed upon price. You can't legally change the terms of a contract once it's been executed, which leaving a deposit would qualify as. 2nd, if you buy in California, do you have to pay California taxes, or Nevada taxes since that's where you will register it?
I have no idea what the range of US colors are. I don't bother with the rumor mill, I'll have a look at mazda's site when the car is available. I know there will be red
The "affordable car" threshold is one of the signs of aging. It gets fixed when you're at a given age and never adjusted for inflation.
Dashpot wrote: In reply to Tyler H: Well the Miata is the price of an average car, which may seem steep for a toy/hobby/summer car. That's why we all buy used for our play cars right? My '01 Miata stickered over $26K, so a $4K increase over 15 years with more content seems pretty reasonable to me.
Did your salary go up ~15% in those 4 years as well? Most people's didn't.
More features != more cost necessarily. Or if the lifespan of the model was increased, it has longer to pay those costs.
So I disagree. You might see an extra $4k in value, I dont.
HiTempguy wrote:Dashpot wrote: In reply to Tyler H: Well the Miata is the price of an average car, which may seem steep for a toy/hobby/summer car. That's why we all buy used for our play cars right? My '01 Miata stickered over $26K, so a $4K increase over 15 years with more content seems pretty reasonable to me.Did your salary go up ~15% in those 4 years as well? Most people's didn't. More features != more cost necessarily. Or if the lifespan of the model was increased, it has longer to pay those costs. So I disagree. You might see an extra $4k in value, I dont.
It's 15 years. If your salary didn't go up that much in 15 years, a new job would probably be something to consider.
Drive a 1990 and a 2005 back to back and decide if the 2005 is $4k better.
rcutclif wrote: Based on some googling, you could get a 1990 mustang lx 5.0 for 12k. 1990 miata was 14k.
And MSRP for my 2002 was $27,500. A lot of Mustangs were cheaper than that in '02. And yes, Mustangs are bigger and heavier.
I often pay more per pound for a good steak than for hamburger. It's because I often prefer steak. To each his/her own.
Back when the GTR came out, I heard a story of being purchased through the Costco dealer program. No markup beyond MSRP.
HiTempguy wrote:Dashpot wrote: In reply to Tyler H: Well the Miata is the price of an average car, which may seem steep for a toy/hobby/summer car. That's why we all buy used for our play cars right? My '01 Miata stickered over $26K, so a $4K increase over 15 years with more content seems pretty reasonable to me.Did your salary go up ~15% in those 4 years as well? Most people's didn't. More features != more cost necessarily. Or if the lifespan of the model was increased, it has longer to pay those costs. So I disagree. You might see an extra $4k in value, I dont.
15 years genius. That's $226 a year.
In reply to Swank Force One:
You are correct.
Way back at the start I said "call your chosen dealer". That's all it takes really.
evildky wrote: Walk in make you offer, they can accept or you walk out, do this at multiple dealers, one will bite.
This is the answer. One thing that dealers are aware of is that if you walk out without a car because of the mark-up, chances are you will not be back nor recomend them to other people.
I dont think the markup is going to last long this time.
Keith Tanner wrote: The "affordable car" threshold is one of the signs of aging. It gets fixed when you're at a given age and never adjusted for inflation.
Well I'm a Gen. Y'er and to me the range is:
Under $15k: Cheap
$15k-$25k: Affordable
$25k-$30k: A bit costly
Over $30k: Expensive
You are also not expecting to buy any new cars, are you? I forget which under appreciated demographic gen Y is supposed to be.
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