Also, hopefully this will make the early NDs depreciate a little faster for me. Though I have a strong feeling my next miata will be an NC.
Also, hopefully this will make the early NDs depreciate a little faster for me. Though I have a strong feeling my next miata will be an NC.
I haven't been too impressed with my ND's depreciation. It's almost like it's deprecating like a normal vehicle...
[Fixed thanks to Robbie spotting the typo]
depreciate = diminish in value over time
deprecate = express disapproval of
go home english, you're drunk
They need to give the Miata 4 doors and a hatchback and AWD and raise it up a bit...then it will sell like crazy!
pinchvalve said:They need to give the Miata 4 doors and a hatchback and AWD and raise it up a bit...then it will sell like crazy!
And then to identify that it's a crossover, they can change the name from MX-5 to CX-5!
Keith Tanner said:pinchvalve said:They need to give the Miata 4 doors and a hatchback and AWD and raise it up a bit...then it will sell like crazy!
And then to identify that it's a crossover, they can change the name from MX-5 to CX-5!
Which is a really nice crossover. Besides the Macan it's my fav driving one.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Nobody has EVER made hardtop and convertible versions of the same two seats sports car. Ok, maybe one or two, but basically every other manufacturer just picks one and rolls with it, right? 
And yes, I know, small company, limited budget, already make the RF which should be good enough for me and on and on and on. Still want a coupe.
Why are you replying to me? I've never said anything about a coupe.
Meanwhile, Photoshops of a BRZ convertible show up and everyone wets their pants.
I don't care about the coupe statements. If it came out, the same people would complain that it was too practical/not practical enough/too big/too small/too heavy/not quiet enough/too expensive/too slow/not really a Miata. Whatever. It is what it is. Mazda's managed to keep an inexpensive sports car in production for more than a quarter century, they're not doing it all wrong. Let's concentrate on making the best of what we have instead of coming up with imaginary things that don't exist.
Sorry, should have been to pinchvalve. Stupid button mashing.
And yes, this new development is cool. Mazda is listening. The transmission changes resulting from autocrossers breaking them, recently heard that there is something with the rear cradles and they're making a bunch of spares just in case, and now they tack some power onto the top end with a host of significant changes to get there. If every company listened and reacted as well as Mazda does the internet would just be a bunch of guys agreeing with each other. 
I consider ourselves very lucky to have/ had the Miata around for so long. I’m relieved every year when it’s announced that it returning for another year. It won’t be long before it will be hard to find any good CARs with all the suvs taking over the showrooms. Having a sporty car like the Miata and brz around with a manual tranny is a blessing. I would buy either of these cars right now if things were going better personally.
I've still managed not to take one of these for a drive, because it would likely come home with me.
An NC PRHT would probably be a better car for me, though. Two knee surgeries make getting into and out of a Miata a bit tough- it's why I sold my NA.
But still, the NDs are great looking, good on gasoline, and so on and so on. I understand that automatic isn't even that bad.
Keith Tanner said:Why are you replying to me? I've never said anything about a coupe.
Meanwhile, Photoshops of a BRZ convertible show up and everyone wets their pants.
I don't care about the coupe statements. If it came out, the same people would complain that it was too practical/not practical enough/too big/too small/too heavy/not quiet enough/too expensive/too slow/not really a Miata. Whatever. It is what it is. Mazda's managed to keep an inexpensive sports car in production for more than a quarter century, they're not doing it all wrong. Let's concentrate on making the best of what we have instead of coming up with imaginary things that don't exist.
Dream killer.... 
This is pretty exciting. I owned an S2000 for a while, and I rented an ND for several days in Hawaii. The S2000 certainly has a much more exciting engine, but the Miata engine is very usable due to the increase in low and mid-range power. It just lacks the drama that makes a car fun to drive in my opinion. We had a Mazda 3 hatchback with that 2.0 liter engine for about 5 years, and now we have a CX 5 with a 2.5 liter version. Both are fine but not exciting at all. I think these changes will make a big difference in driving enjoyment which is already very high for this car.
Keith Tanner said:. If it came out, the same people would complain that it was too practical/not practical enough/too big/too small/too heavy/not quiet enough/too expensive/too slow/not really a Miata. Whatever. It is what it is. Mazda's managed to keep an inexpensive sports car in production for more than a quarter century, they're not doing it all wrong. Let's concentrate on making the best of what we have instead of coming up with imaginary things that don't exist.
The irony of guy whose livelihood is based on "coming up with imaginary things that don't exist for the Miata" saying that......lol
I suppose I'm just curious at why there is always so much backlash from Miata fanbois if anyone so much as brings up the hatchback/fastback idea.
Is it because you think it somehow dilutes the "purity" of the Miata being a convertible? (I mean, doesn't the RF do that too?)
Is it because of fears that if there is a Miata fastback then we'll never have an RX-7 replacement from Mazda somewhere down the road?
IDK, I just don't get the hate. It used to be when people complained about the Miata's low power, Miata owners would say "oh well it doesn't need power because it's perfect now." But I don't hear any of those people complaining now that Mazda is giving it more power.
I suspect that if a Miata fastback came out, you'd be one of the first people in the country to own one, Keith ;)
I'd love a true hard top coupe Miata.
The Frisbee twins are what was supposed to solve that issue. They didn't do as well as people thought.
The frisbee cars are so very close. I just don't trust the motor. I trust used market motors even less. I keep hoping the next version will have a Toyota motor.
irish44j said:Keith Tanner said:. If it came out, the same people would complain that it was too practical/not practical enough/too big/too small/too heavy/not quiet enough/too expensive/too slow/not really a Miata. Whatever. It is what it is. Mazda's managed to keep an inexpensive sports car in production for more than a quarter century, they're not doing it all wrong. Let's concentrate on making the best of what we have instead of coming up with imaginary things that don't exist.
The irony of guy whose livelihood is based on "coming up with imaginary things that don't exist for the Miata" saying that......lol
I suppose I'm just curious at why there is always so much backlash from Miata fanbois if anyone so much as brings up the hatchback/fastback idea.
Is it because you think it somehow dilutes the "purity" of the Miata being a convertible? (I mean, doesn't the RF do that too?)
Is it because of fears that if there is a Miata fastback then we'll never have an RX-7 replacement from Mazda somewhere down the road?
IDK, I just don't get the hate. It used to be when people complained about the Miata's low power, Miata owners would say "oh well it doesn't need power because it's perfect now." But I don't hear any of those people complaining now that Mazda is giving it more power.
I suspect that if a Miata fastback came out, you'd be one of the first people in the country to own one, Keith ;)
It's because I've been hearing "it should have a rotary" and "I'd totally buy one if it were a coupe" for over 20 years now 
Usually from people who are looking for a reason not to buy one. Although, busted, all of my Miatas have permanently installed hardtops and no soft tops.
That said, after having spent significant time in the RF, I'd probably choose it over a coupe. I find myself dropping the top enough to justify it, and I'm okay with the weight and the amount of storage. The NC PRHT was a guilty pleasure for driving but I never liked the looks. No problem with the RF in that regard.
In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
I feel exactly the same way.
mazdeuce - Seth said:The frisbee cars are so very close. I just don't trust the motor. I trust used market motors even less. I keep hoping the next version will have a Toyota motor.
The motor is just fine. It's bros who beat the crap out of them on crummy tunes, try to rev them up to 8k on the track, or turbo them and think the stock 200hp motor should live at 400whp for 100k miles.
The only real issue is on track the oil will get HOT. But that's true of basically all modern cars. Hell my 135i will hit 240-245 oil temps cruising around town because of the very hot thermostat for emissions/efficiency.
In reply to z31maniac :
It's only that I've had three friends pop them. They might all be bros. Well, at least two of them are, but they were all NA with what I would call "mild" bolt ons. All were tracked. All died. Probably not representative but enough to make me nervous for a car that I would certainly track if I bought it.
You are making me think that I should add some sort of oil temp gauge to the Accord though.
In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
I have the same experience but with 996/Caymans. Half dozen of my friends have had their 996/Caymans die a spectacular death on the track, even though they'd all done the "Track Proofing" mods. Didn't matter. I'm of the opinion that the Cayman/996's are fine on the street, but I wouldn't track one without having a spare motor sitting in my garage.
In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
Yes, you should. Our D series Lemons Civic, even with a modest oil cooler, was running 230 oil temps on track, we had no idea until we put the gauge in and we ran for a long time without the cooler. Once we went turbo we had to go to a big ass cooler to keep the oil less than 260.
The Mercedes though, that will see 270 on track, even with the 2 different oil coolers that AMG put in it. Fortunately, the oil holds up OK per the analysis.
Synthetic oil holds up pretty well under heat, but seals don't get so happy at higher temps.
I usually figure with synth oil that I don't want to see more than 240 - 250 sustained and I don't want to see the oil above 260 or so at any point. And that's providing that oil pressure is good (both at higher rpm and at idle) when things are that hot. Anything hotter is asking for seal issues or issues due to high temps in bearings, valve springs and other places that are primarily oil cooled.
irish44j said:BTW Mazda....just give me that hatchback, and I will literally walk into a Mazda dealer and buy a hatchback Miata brand new off of a dealer lot for my next daily driver.
Ah, so you also want a new RX-7.
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