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Redhornet
Redhornet New Reader
11/29/12 9:25 a.m.

1988 MR2, left headlamp goes out. I replace it, turn on lights and it's VERY dim, yes it's a brand new headlamp. Flip to highbeams and it goes even dimmer, right headlamp working fine. I think it's got to be a fuse but, it's late in the evening and I need to get to bed to get up early for work, yatta yatta yatta...

Next morning I drive to work then at end of day I get in, start up and turn on lights and now BOTH headlamps are VERY dim. Put on highbeams and right lamp goes to highbeam left lamp goes super dim, have to drive home like that.

Questions: This has got to be a fuse right? It should just be a matter of replacing the fuse and everything is back to normal yes? Does anyone know which fuse box the headlamp fuses are in?

All help greatly appreciated because unfortunately I don't have access to the mechanics manuals...

slantvaliant
slantvaliant SuperDork
11/29/12 9:27 a.m.

Check voltage drop in the lighting circuit. Could be a bad switch, bad grounds, bad connectors, flaky wire ...

Good lighting info HERE.

stan_d
stan_d Dork
11/29/12 9:29 a.m.

Check grounds!!

Sky_Render
Sky_Render HalfDork
11/29/12 9:41 a.m.

Make sure to check the voltage at the bulb with the circuit turned on. Here's some basic troubleshooting info:

http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/id/1952/basic-electrical-troubleshooting.aspx

DrBoost
DrBoost PowerDork
11/29/12 9:47 a.m.

Dim lights almost always equal a bad ground or a melted connector (usually caused by a bad ground).

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/29/12 9:49 a.m.
stan_d wrote: Check grounds!!

^^This.

ncjay
ncjay Reader
11/29/12 10:00 a.m.

In my experience either fuses work or just blow out. The funky voltage problems would have me checking the headlight switch, the ground connections, or just a dirty or loose electrical connector. There might be a headlight relay involved somewhere as well.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/29/12 10:08 a.m.

Given that it's only one side (at first), start with things that are unique to that side. Like a ground or a bad connector. It's less likely that a failing switch or relay would affect just one side.

wbjones
wbjones UltraDork
11/29/12 10:42 a.m.
ncjay wrote: In my experience either fuses work or just blow out. The funky voltage problems would have me checking the headlight switch, the ground connections, or just a dirty or loose electrical connector. There might be a headlight relay involved somewhere as well.

that's what fuses do ... they either pass current or they don't ... never just a little bit ..

foxtrapper
foxtrapper PowerDork
11/29/12 12:36 p.m.

I question how well you installed the plug on the light. That's the variable. Generic fix would be to pull it back off, and shove it on again. Make sure it goes all the way on.

slantvaliant
slantvaliant SuperDork
11/29/12 1:12 p.m.
wbjones wrote: that's what fuses do ... they either pass current or they don't ... never just a little bit ..<img

I beg to differ.

Photobucket

Yeah, that's a 3-phase system, but the fuses behave pretty much the same. Some have high resistance where they shouldn't.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UltimaDork
11/29/12 1:16 p.m.

In reply to slantvaliant:

But would a faulty fuse cause one headlight to malfunction, then the other as well. I'd say its unlikely the source of the problem.

slantvaliant
slantvaliant SuperDork
11/29/12 1:47 p.m.

I doubt the fuse is the OP's problem - see my first post.

In the second, I just wanted to correct the impression that fuses "pass current or they don't".

Besides, it was an opportunity to post one of my thermographs.

DoctorBlade
DoctorBlade SuperDork
11/29/12 1:49 p.m.

On mine it was the alternator giving up the ghost.

Redhornet
Redhornet New Reader
11/29/12 3:25 p.m.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. Yelch and to think I had the silly notion it could be something simple I could just take care of in about 30 mins...

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/29/12 3:45 p.m.

certainly sounds like a ground problem to me

slantvaliant
slantvaliant SuperDork
11/29/12 3:55 p.m.

It could be a quick fix. Check anywhere you see a connection. Even a quick unplug/replug can sometimes get things working. And don't forget to check the chassis ground.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/29/12 5:22 p.m.

MOST lighting issues are quick fixes... treat it like a fiat and check the grounds

wbjones
wbjones UltraDork
11/29/12 8:23 p.m.
slantvaliant wrote:
wbjones wrote: that's what fuses do ... they either pass current or they don't ... never just a little bit ..<img
I beg to differ. Photobucket Yeah, that's a 3-phase system, but the fuses behave pretty much the same. Some have high resistance where they shouldn't.

apples to oranges ... that's not going to be his problem ... if they're bad, they'll eventually blow ... the high resistance leads to high temps ...

I worked at Bussman ( you know Buss fuses ) and while learning to use the correct length of time of "current on" to do the soldering/brazing I managed to blow up many fuses ....

OldGray320i
OldGray320i Reader
11/29/12 8:35 p.m.
wbjones wrote:
slantvaliant wrote:
wbjones wrote: that's what fuses do ... they either pass current or they don't ... never just a little bit ..<img
I beg to differ. Photobucket Yeah, that's a 3-phase system, but the fuses behave pretty much the same. Some have high resistance where they shouldn't.
apples to oranges ... that's not going to be his problem ... if they're bad, they'll eventually blow ... the high resistance leads to high temps ... I worked at Bussman ( you know Buss fuses ) and while learning to use the correct length of time of "current on" to do the soldering/brazing I managed to blow up many fuses ....

I used to sell Buss fuses (wholesale house) - that was a fun job, wish it had paid more (or that the idiots who paid for my education would have been the ones to offer me better work the countless times I applied for new positions...).

The thermal image is way cool...

wbjones
wbjones UltraDork
11/29/12 8:43 p.m.
OldGray320i wrote:
wbjones wrote:
slantvaliant wrote:
wbjones wrote: that's what fuses do ... they either pass current or they don't ... never just a little bit ..<img
I beg to differ. Photobucket Yeah, that's a 3-phase system, but the fuses behave pretty much the same. Some have high resistance where they shouldn't.
apples to oranges ... that's not going to be his problem ... if they're bad, they'll eventually blow ... the high resistance leads to high temps ... I worked at Bussman ( you know Buss fuses ) and while learning to use the correct length of time of "current on" to do the soldering/brazing I managed to blow up many fuses ....
I used to sell Buss fuses (wholesale house) - that was a fun job, wish it had paid more (or that the idiots who paid for my education would have been the ones to offer me better work the countless times I applied for new positions...). The thermal image is way cool...

after Bussman moved their plant to China, I worked at a plant that made resolvers that went into the FLIR ( Forward looking infrared ) used in some of our Navy and Air Force fighters

novaderrik
novaderrik UltraDork
11/30/12 12:57 a.m.

start at the light- wiggle the connector.. if that makes it better, pull it off and clean the contacts with whatever you can get in there and bend the tabs up to make the connection tighter..

if still no joy, then trace the ground wire.

if still not fixed, then keep working your way back to the switch..

this all assumes that you've got 13+ volts coming out of the alternator and into the car..

slantvaliant
slantvaliant SuperDork
11/30/12 7:39 a.m.
OldGray320i wrote: The thermal image is way cool...

You should see my private collection.

Sky_Render
Sky_Render HalfDork
11/30/12 8:01 a.m.

High resistance leads to low temperatures, because resistance decreases current and thus power consumption.

Fuses blow when they heat up due to increased current draw caused by lower resistances, usually a short to ground.

airwerks
airwerks New Reader
11/30/12 2:10 p.m.
wbjones wrote:
OldGray320i wrote:
wbjones wrote:
slantvaliant wrote:
wbjones wrote: that's what fuses do ... they either pass current or they don't ... never just a little bit ..<img
I beg to differ. Photobucket Yeah, that's a 3-phase system, but the fuses behave pretty much the same. Some have high resistance where they shouldn't.
apples to oranges ... that's not going to be his problem ... if they're bad, they'll eventually blow ... the high resistance leads to high temps ... I worked at Bussman ( you know Buss fuses ) and while learning to use the correct length of time of "current on" to do the soldering/brazing I managed to blow up many fuses ....
I used to sell Buss fuses (wholesale house) - that was a fun job, wish it had paid more (or that the idiots who paid for my education would have been the ones to offer me better work the countless times I applied for new positions...). The thermal image is way cool...
after Bussman moved their plant to China, I worked at a plant that made resolvers that went into the FLIR ( Forward looking infrared ) used in some of our Navy and Air Force fighters

Funny to see a FLIR image here.... my wife works on their military systems side. Lots of cool toys and they have a take home program too! (though it's civilian side stuff only).

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