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Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
3/27/17 4:49 p.m.

PMC tire in Quebec, very gentle shipping charges. Canadian dollars. Anybody ever heard of them?

Westlake 195/50 15

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
3/27/17 5:01 p.m.

Westies? Yikes... wait, you don't want grip right?

QuasiMofo
QuasiMofo GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/27/17 5:04 p.m.

Look at the Walmart online site for Antares Ingens A1 in that size...

I'll wait.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
3/27/17 5:15 p.m.
QuasiMofo wrote: Look at the Walmart online site for Antares Ingens A1 in that size... I'll wait.

That doesn't look like a 180TW tire. I'm sure its crap, but how much crap?

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
3/27/17 5:16 p.m.
Trackmouse wrote: Westies? Yikes... wait, you don't want grip right?

That's the question... Are they cheap drifter smokey tires, or are they accidentally a decent 180TW performance tire? I have no great confidence.

EDIT: This is my post #7777...

Stefan
Stefan GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/27/17 5:19 p.m.

You do know that Treadwear is a made up number, right? There's very little actual testing and data behind that number.

The Speed rating is another matter.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
3/27/17 5:23 p.m.
Stefan wrote: You do know that Treadwear is a made up number, right? There's very little actual testing and data behind that number. The Speed rating is another matter.

Yeeeessss... I have found very few tire manufacturers lie to give their tires a shorter suggested life span.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
3/27/17 5:24 p.m.

I mean, it at least looks like a racy tire.

KyAllroad
KyAllroad PowerDork
3/27/17 5:54 p.m.

Is 180 TW acceptable for chumping? I know that for ST classes in autocross 200 is the magic number and I thought that Chump was the same just to keep people from bolting on racing slicks to gain an advantage. I'd think more manufacturers would rather fib a bit to get above that magic 200 mark.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
3/27/17 6:05 p.m.

180 is min- I checked the rules the other day. I also found out my local distributor has some, cost me $81.50 each. I ordered two just to thumbnail them.

And, I think everybody who builds a 200tw tire is lying through their teeth. A Hoosier R has a rating of 40, and I've never yet met a 200 tire that lasts five times as long as an R7.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/27/17 6:15 p.m.

The Toyota r1r went from 140 to 200 or something just to be able to run in street tire classes.

I realize this is opposite of what's being discussed, but it shows tw means nothing.

RealMiniParker
RealMiniParker UberDork
3/27/17 8:09 p.m.
Streetwiseguy wrote: I mean, it at least looks like a racy tire.
Caption said: Photos may differ from actual product.

JtspellS
JtspellS SuperDork
3/27/17 9:09 p.m.

Looks similar to an old kumho XS, so its possible they sold the old design?

adam525i
adam525i GRM+ Memberand New Reader
3/27/17 9:34 p.m.

I can't speak to the tires but I've had good service with PMC tire. I've bought my last two sets of tires through them and both times shipping was fast and prices reasonable for us Canucks.

Adam

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
3/27/17 9:40 p.m.

In reply to adam525i:

Pmc is great. We bought 16 RS3's for the two Chumpcars, and freight to Saskatoon was $4.00. Not four bucks a tire. Four bucks for sixteen tires.

Gotta be some Quebec mafia thing.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
3/27/17 11:34 p.m.

Interesting, we yanks can't get these tires. Maybe not trump approved?

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
3/28/17 1:22 a.m.

We got Trump'd!

racerfink
racerfink UltraDork
3/28/17 9:12 a.m.

Not D.O.T. approved? May be why they can sell them cheap. Didn't have to pay millions to the D.O.T. to be allowed to sell them here.

petegossett
petegossett GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
3/28/17 9:13 a.m.

Ok, one of you guys needs to start importing them to the US "For offroad use only".

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
3/28/17 9:35 a.m.

That would be awesome. Especially since the local fuzz here would never check for that dot stamp.

Downside being, if you get in a wreck, and they check that, they'll put the blame on you regardless... but if you just hauled them to autox events all is well.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/28/17 10:07 a.m.

Found a Kiwi who tried them out, found that they were good when brand new, but when worn in a little, quickly turned to garbage:

https://nzhondas.com/topic/169919-westlake-rs-vs-archillies-123-semi-slick-comparison/#comment-2085272

So, consider them disposables for the rear of a drift car.

Edit: Although one poster in that thread says they're good, with similar grip to a Z1...

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/28/17 11:07 a.m.

I only of Westlake as a trailer tire manufacturer, and not a very good one at that...

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
3/28/17 11:27 a.m.

I found them almost local through one of my distributors. I ordered two for $81.50 cdn each.

I will report back later.

fanfoy
fanfoy Dork
3/28/17 2:05 p.m.
Streetwiseguy wrote: Gotta be some Quebec mafia thing.

Since the winter tires rule a few years ago, the tires vendors have multiplied like crazy over here and they are selling more and more weird tire brands for the ever more demanding cheapstake.

Nessumsar
Nessumsar New Reader
3/28/17 3:04 p.m.

FYI, Tire Rack has the RS3 V2 on closeout right now for $98.25 in the 195/50/15 flavor.

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