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RacingComputers
RacingComputers GRM+ Memberand Reader
11/23/23 5:28 p.m.

Mustang S197  2005 - 2009

 

Solid Basis for a track toy, and you can spend as much as as little as you want to make one go fast

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https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/cars-sale/2005-mustang-gt-5-speed-53k-miles-mine/164582/page1/

Apexcarver
Apexcarver MegaDork
11/23/23 10:29 p.m.
Apexcarver said:

Instead of the fox mustang; Ford Fairmont or Zephyr. Fairmont wagon for the big win. 

It's a fox chassis, so pretty much all the mustang goodies bolt on and would be much cooler.  Plus, back doors are nice if you want to use the back seat.

In this vein, plucked from the hotlink thread.

Fairmont wagon + a few mustang parts...

Cactus
Cactus HalfDork
11/23/23 10:37 p.m.

Sounds like you need my XR4Ti that I really need to pass on to an owner that would actually use it. 
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/cars-sale/xr4ti-or-maybe-xr302na-7600/185020/page1/

Racebrick
Racebrick HalfDork
11/23/23 10:41 p.m.
RacingComputers said:

Mustang S197  2005 - 2009

 

Solid Basis for a track toy, and you can spend as much as as little as you want to make one go fast

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https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/cars-sale/2005-mustang-gt-5-speed-53k-miles-mine/164582/page1/

I agree. I just bought an 06 mustang to run in csm this year. Although I also have a V8 Volvo, so I can also recommend going that route.

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
11/24/23 2:25 p.m.

So this maybe on offer for 7K.

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
11/24/23 2:30 p.m.

In reply to Cactus :

I do really like that but I think I want to have a street car

Rodan
Rodan UltraDork
11/24/23 5:32 p.m.
Tom1200 said:

So this maybe on offer for 7K.

I like it already.  But then I'm biased... it's just like the '89 I bought new.  If it's a solid running car with suspension mods, that's probably a pretty good price.

11GTCS
11GTCS SuperDork
11/24/23 5:45 p.m.

In reply to Tom1200 :

If that's as straight in real life as it looks in the picture that's a good deal.  5 lug / 4 wheel discs already in place and looks a bit lower than stock.  I like it!

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
11/24/23 8:47 p.m.
11GTCS said:

In reply to Tom1200 :

If that's as straight in real life as it looks in the picture that's a good deal.  5 lug / 4 wheel discs already in place and looks a bit lower than stock.  I like it!

The friend who has it preps at race cars for a living and is a life long Mustang guy. It's really nice.

P3PPY
P3PPY GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/24/23 10:53 p.m.

That's a nice looking 5.0 but it's older and even if the interior is as nice as the outside, I find that I like my creature comforts more and more, so for anything I'd drive besides on the track Id want newer, like Racebrick and Racing Computers were saying. 

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
11/24/23 11:51 p.m.

In reply to P3PPY :

Keep in mind my tow vehicle is a 33yr old van and I vintage race.........I like old cars. 

This would be occasional track day, autocross and Friday car.

P3PPY
P3PPY GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/25/23 6:41 a.m.
Tom1200 said:

In reply to P3PPY :

Keep in mind my tow vehicle is a 33yr old van and I vintage race.........I like old cars. 

This would be occasional track day, autocross and Friday car.

Haha never have I given such an irrelevant opinion then :)

ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter)
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) Dork
11/25/23 7:25 a.m.

Isn't this exactly what SCCA is trying to do with the Club Spec Mustangs?  You could build one of those and probably get all your money out when it comes time to sell. I'm a believer in building cars to an established spec or series if at all possible. 

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
11/25/23 8:20 p.m.

In reply to ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) :

True but I want something to play with realtively cheap and the friend who built it does really good work

RacingComputers
RacingComputers GRM+ Memberand Reader
11/25/23 9:43 p.m.

Fox Chassis Mustang needs an awful lot of stiffening

 

S197 in our opinion is the place to start

 

YRMV

RaabTheSaab
RaabTheSaab Reader
11/26/23 10:24 a.m.

For your requirements, I think it's  Really really hard to beat an early s197 these days. Well sorted ones are around 8k and rougher ones are available for 5-6k (at least near me--mid Atlantic) . 

Racebrick
Racebrick HalfDork
11/26/23 10:54 a.m.
RacingComputers said:

Fox Chassis Mustang needs an awful lot of stiffening

 

S197 in our opinion is the place to start

 

YRMV

The following is from an article written by Billy Johnson regarding the stiffness of the s197.

RacingComputers
RacingComputers GRM+ Memberand Reader
11/26/23 6:36 p.m.

^^^^^^^  What Racebrick said

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
11/26/23 6:43 p.m.

In reply to RacingComputers :

And that may happen.......nothing set in stone yet.

11GTCS
11GTCS SuperDork
11/26/23 8:03 p.m.
Tom1200 said:

In reply to Cactus :

I do really like that but I think I want to have a street car

OK, I get the S197 vs Fox Body critiques, there's no question the S197 benefits from close to 20 years of development.  I think that white one you've shown would be a great street car and I'm betting your buddy has done plenty of improvements already.  Maybe it's where I'm located but we're not seeing anything V8 S197 around here for under $10K unless it has over 150 K on it and those would be older 4.6 cars.

Apexcarver
Apexcarver MegaDork
11/26/23 10:12 p.m.

I've had my 97 mustang for over 20 years at this point. 

 

Fox 

  • The chassis lived from 1978-2004. They aren't great. That said, the bandaids all exist and are well known and understood. 
  • If it's ready to go, it's ready to go. No huge upgrade parts expense.
  • More exciting from a stands out in a crowd perspective.
  • Just try to find an engine with more aftermarket speed support... 

S197

  • Scca did just announce that whole club spec thing...  Autocross/time trial competitively if you are called to that. 
  • Car...  Plus shocks, plus springs, plus brakes, plus...
  • It may get away with being a bit more of a out it away wet and keep abusing it car... Mod motors take a licking and keep on ticking.

 

In the end it's what you want. The fox seems to tickle you. I don't know that you are all about competitive autocross and time trial. If you are, the club spec thing does have a VERY powerful call

 

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
11/26/23 11:38 p.m.
Apexcarver said:

 

In the end it's what you want. The fox seems to tickle you. I don't know that you are all about competitive autocross and time trial. 

 

If I wanted to be competitive at autocross I would keep the F500.

This car is strictly for fun and you are correct I do like the Fox body.

As for time trials; my Datsun ends up in the unlimited class so I don't care about that either.

RacingComputers
RacingComputers GRM+ Memberand Reader
11/27/23 6:14 p.m.

^^^^   Good Points all

 

If the Fox chassis has the Stiffening goodies, go for it,

Either option is a pathway to enjoyment

Good Luck going forward

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