WW$2k - CAM (and CAxM) Challenge 2019

For years, Classic American Muscle (CAM) class has hogged the spotlight on the stage known as SCCA Solo. But is America the only country to make a true muscle car? From the corners of junkyards and craigslist ads arise a new pact of contenders - the Classic Axis Muscle. Japan, Germany, and Italy have long been known for their own brands of sporty Front-Engine, Rear Wheel Drive cars. A world at war. Three continents claiming superiority of domestic muscle cars. Which side will prove to be the best producer of classic muscle that can be yours for under $2,000?

CAM vs CAxM - Classic Allied Muscle vs Classic Axis Muscle

Rules: Mostly following the standard CAM rules here. Key points are Front Engine and RWD, "finished" interior, all body panels present, and unrestricted powertrain (yes, even from rivaling nations). 200TW tires. Obvious exception being the Axis team can use cars of German, Italian, or Japanese origins. All cars must of course follow $2,000 Challenge rules too. Minimum weight: 2,700 lbs (factory curb). Pickup trucks automatically count as muscle cars (both sides).

Scoring: The two sides will be scored as teams, adding up the final place of each team member, with lowest combined place being the winner. However many cars show up on your side is how many teammates are scored. Troop counts don't always win wars, right? Best-placing finisher of each side may also get a special award. Your team, Allies or Axis, will be determined by the VIN of your car, not what's under the hood. If you were out of ammo in Midway and found an Uzi on the ground, you'd probably use it.

Competing does not exclude you from other sub-classes. In fact, your car may count in scoring even if you don't participate!

Who's in and what are you bringing?

Updated: added minimum weight

Regarding "Front engine, RWD", is that as the vehicle was originally delivered, or as it is configured to compete in the Challenge?

also regarding "Front engine, RWD", is "RWD with engine in front of trans and diff" close enough?  Or are we defining "Front engine" to mean "engine in front of driver" or perhaps some other definition?

I'm really hoping to have the Studebaker their representing the Allies. All American baby!

AngryCorvair said:

Regarding "Front engine, RWD", is that as the vehicle was originally delivered, or as it is configured to compete in the Challenge?

also regarding "Front engine, RWD", is "RWD with engine in front of trans and diff" close enough?  Or are we defining "Front engine" to mean "engine in front of driver" or perhaps some other definition?

How about it either was originally FE-RWD (may not be anymore), or has been made FE-RWD to compete. "Front engine" is a definition about as loose as Jeremy's definition of "wagon".

Where do grey imports fall into this?  For instance would a Dodge Ram 50 be considered a Dodge because of the VIN or a Mitsubishi because it was manufactured in the Hiroshima plant?

Looking into options right now and just want to clarify before I buy another truck.

So are there any good 200 treadwear tires available for 14 inch wheels?

In reply to Ram50Ron :

I'm going to say that whichever Grill it has in it is which side you're pulling for. Or another way to look at it is what are the majority of Parts? Dodge or Mitsubishi? If it's a Dodge grill with a 360 Magnum in it you'd be on the Allied side. Mitsubishi with a turbo motor would be on the access side of the war

In reply to AnthonyGS :

Inmates seem to be in charge of the asylum. Unless you see the warden pop up, I think we're good. 

In reply to Dusterbd13 :

I'm not a griptician but the google machine says the Azenis RT615K+ is available in a 195/60/r14

Before I start researching 200 treadwear tires too much, will a 2000 Miata with a GM V6 swap be allowed to play in the cam class?

I agree, go by brand for grey-market cars. 

Dusterbd, it would come down to weight for you. How do we feel about no weight minimum? CAM has lots of different minimums for CAM-C, CAM-S, etc. Or just set one minimum, say 3,000 lbs? Less? More?

I haven't got the backstory on the rule development, but is the FR restriction set in stone? I got an RR that could otherwise fall into the Axis category, albeit not competitively.

In reply to JohnInKansas :

I'm making this up as I go

We *likey* no minimum weight!

For purely selfish reasons, I vote no weight minimum. Especially since I expect this car to fall in XP for local classing when I'm done with a challenge

I vote no minimum. 3000 pounds is heavy!

maschinenbau said:

AngryCorvair said:

Regarding "Front engine, RWD", is that as the vehicle was originally delivered, or as it is configured to compete in the Challenge?

also regarding "Front engine, RWD", is "RWD with engine in front of trans and diff" close enough?  Or are we defining "Front engine" to mean "engine in front of driver" or perhaps some other definition?

How about it either was originally FE-RWD (may not be anymore), or has been made FE-RWD to compete. "Front engine" is a definition about as loose as Jeremy's definition of "wagon".

Ok so what I heard you say is "RWD with CG of engine somewhere in front of rear axle center."

I am in the same boat as Duster.

You can count me a an Axis competitor in this class 

How about RWD and "convince us" it's front engine.

No minimum puts Datsaniti in the ring. I'm game.

In reply to Dusterbd13 :

Doesn't look like it. There are some Hoosiers at 40 and Toyo Proxes at 100 in 215/60-14 and all of the rest are Goodrich TA's at 400.

I just realized this puts all 30 or so stock Miatas in the Axis powers. How do we feel about that?

Minimum 200 hp?

I won't be there but I'll be following along. 

In regards to the weight requirement I'll share my input: Allies vs Axis is a WW2 thing. During WW2 the American government was looking to develop a vehicle for war use (what would eventually become the jeep CJ). Among their requirements was a weight maximum, 2000lbs. None of the proposed plans were able to meet the weight requirement. We still got the jeep. If this is war, or war-themed, I'd ignore the weight requirement.

No minimum weight or the population density of lead ballasts at the $2019 Challenge might give Al Gore an aneurysm. 

maschinenbau said:

I just realized this puts all 30 or so stock Miatas in the Axis powers. How do we feel about that?

30 or so stock miatas against Calvin?

I'll take Calvin.