Vs: Best Available Liter + class standard/Muscle bike

I don't love the headlights, but to me triumphs sound better than most anything else and they have a nice dose of torque.

EBR is rumored to have a streetfighter 1190 (called the 1190SX) out soon (and a Ulysses-like adventure bike too). I'll wait for those, thank you very much.

This is a rendering of the SX...

In reply to FSP_ZX2:

Anything more than a rumor or at least a price sheet that doesn't contain only $40-60k bikes?

I think we are drifting from standard to Hooligan, One you can sit on all day the other is a sport bike without the fairings to bust when you drop it while acting like a wanker.

I am leaning BMW or Guzzi, once I get the Guzzi on a scale and dyno to verify the numbers.

EDIT: Guzzi real numbers 95 hp at the rear tire and 555 lbs on real scales.

yamaha wrote: In reply to FSP_ZX2: Anything more than a rumor or at least a price sheet that doesn't contain only $40-60k bikes?

The 1190RX is under 19K, the streetfighter from what I hear will be in the low/mid teens. The RS is the crazy-expensive one...

In reply to FSP_ZX2:

Ahh, I'd still buy an MV for that money though.

Flight Service said: I think we are drifting from standard to Hooligan, One you can sit on all day the other is a sport bike without the fairings to bust when you drop it while acting like a wanker.

Well, to be honest, the FZ1 and z1000 are about a halfbreed of hooligan/standard these days.....and instead of breaking replacable fairings, you want "total the bike everytime" frame & engine case/cover damage?

a liter bike as a standard is a hooligan bike . My daytona pretty much sucked as a commuter which was the main time I could use it. I dropped it in a parking lot once - $750 in plastic replacement. So yeah, give me a sport bike with better ergonomics and more bump and bruise friendly.

Flight Service wrote: I think we are drifting from standard to Hooligan, One you can sit on all day the other is a sport bike without the fairings to bust when you drop it while acting like a wanker.

You want a bike you can "sit on all day" but not a sport touring bike. And apparently it has to have fairings or else that's the wrong category as well.

Why do you want a motorcycle? This is a serious question.

yamaha wrote: In reply to FSP_ZX2: Ahh, I'd still buy an MV for that money though.

Flight Service said: I think we are drifting from standard to Hooligan, One you can sit on all day the other is a sport bike without the fairings to bust when you drop it while acting like a wanker.

Well, to be honest, the FZ1 and z1000 are about a halfbreed of hooligan/standard these days.....and instead of breaking replacable fairings, you want "total the bike everytime" frame & engine case/cover damage?

Fairings protect the frame and engine as well as a pair of Levis protect your skin.

pres589 wrote: In reply to yamaha: I own a 2004 VFR800. My avatar is actually taken from the slightly later VFR 800 red white & blue paint scheme. In reply to singleslammer: Then your friend's VFR had problems, these bikes are pretty torquey, with a curve that is not like what you are describing. For fun, here's a curve for the Z1000 from 2007 (I didn't spend a lot of time searching)

While that may be true, I am pretty sure that is still torqueless when compared to what the OP is looking for. The torque is still less than a GSXR750 of similar vintage (except at 3300rpm down) with a more docile tune and a bit more displacement. For the money those things cost new, I would expect better.

I digress, its all opinion anyway. I never got to ride said VFR of my friends so heresay.

I vote Triumph Speed Triple. Two friends have versions of that motor (ST and Speed) in the 1050 variety and they make great power and torque and are comfortable to ride. The ST is way better for distance though due to the fairing.

pres589 wrote:

Flight Service wrote: I think we are drifting from standard to Hooligan, One you can sit on all day the other is a sport bike without the fairings to bust when you drop it while acting like a wanker.

You want a bike you can "sit on all day" but not a sport touring bike. And apparently it has to have fairings or else that's the wrong category as well. Why do you want a motorcycle? This is a serious question.

Serious answer. The point of the standard is to be the jack of all trades. Will you want to do 90 on the highway all day on it, probably not, but you could without being in severe pain, just tired from the wind. And if you had just a little fairing on it (FZ1/Bandit S style) you would be just as comfortable without the sport touring. Would you want to run the dragon on it? Wouldn't be the weapon of choice but you could and you probably wouldn't embarrass yourself. Could you go to Bike Week on it? Yeah, you wouldn't stand out but with the right option you could get a few thumbs up.

It does not have to have fairings. I don't understand where you got that from. The BMW, Honda nor the Guzzi have fairings. Little confusing on that one. Maybe you were referring to my quip about the differences between a Hooligan bike and a Sport bike?

The point of the thread isn't to pick me a bike, it is to see if, at least on this board, the standard still has a place. I remember when a standard with, too little suspension, and too little frame, was the 1000 lb gorilla in the room. Before the V-Max and the Power Crusiers and before the hooligan SpeedTriples.

They are all great bikes, but in a world with a varied line up of almost every configuration is the big standard even required?

I miss my bike is why I am hanging on sprockets right now (and I am getting board with GGA thread and mthompson is doing a good job of it.)

The Guzzi Griso and the BMW R nineT are real close to what I want. But since those both are about 5 times my prospective budget, I will probably just get a used XR/L600/650L/R or a KLX and Cafe racer it. V-Stroms don't look good and are worse without the plastics

Rusnak_322 wrote: Fairings protect the frame and engine as well as a pair of Levis protect your skin.

Meh, my 10r was low sided on both sides in its prior life as a track bike. Aside from scuffed plastic, nothing else was harmed.

What about a Triumph Tiger? Looks way better than a Strom.

"Why it’s desirable: Though its styling radiates an aura of adventure riding, the Tiger 1050 is a pure streetbike with no pretensions of dirt ability. It’s a really good, fun street machine, in fact, we said it was “Triumph’s best all-around bike” in 2007. With its trick aluminum frame, 43mm inverted fork, 17-inch wheels shod with sporty rubber and radial-mount calipers biting dual front rotors, the 1050 is a giggle-a-minute riot on twisty backroads. Yet thanks to its comfy ergonomics, torque-heavy three-cylinder powerplant and tall sixth gear, it cruises the open road with ease, especially if accompanied by a set of optional saddlebags."

http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/08/27/triumph-tiger-1050-best-used-bikes/

In reply to clutchsmoke:

I always forget it about it. That's why. LOL

Flight Service wrote: The point of the thread isn't to pick me a bike, it is to see if, at least on this board, the standard still has a place.

The jack-of-all-trades standard isn't gone... it's just different. You don't buy a base bike and modify it to fit a specific role. Manufacturers are making better bikes that still do all the things the old standard used to do just as well, or better... but that are focused on being especially good in a specific role. Most of us have somethign we like to use our bike for most, but still have it be good at others. That's what the modern standards do now.

And for the record, that's why I got my STripleR. It's not in the power category you defined, but it is a great, modern, middle-weight standard. There are a lot of standards in the 650-900cc range.

Beer Baron wrote: The jack-of-all-trades standard isn't gone... it's just different.

Meet Jack (heh, I said "Meat jack" heh-heh).

Beer Baron wrote: And for the record, that's why I got my STripleR. It's not in the power category you defined, but it is a great, modern, middle-weight standard. There are a lot of standards in the 650-900cc range.

The FZ-09, the Street Triple, the new CB900..... lots of good stuff in that range.

One of my buddies has had a fz1, b king and now the zx14. I really like the fz1. Rode nice, plenty of power. Decent ergos.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

Beer Baron wrote: The jack-of-all-trades standard isn't gone... it's just different.

Meet Jack (heh, I said "Meat jack" heh-heh).

Why Hello Jack. The Dakar rally is a few miles from here...

yamaha wrote: In reply to pres589: Ahh, my bad. Someone here has a newish z1000......and as far as the restrictions, seems about normal for this board anymore. Its like asking for a 3 year old station wagon truck that happens to also be a miata for sub $2k.......

I have the newer Z1000, and a FZ1 is gutless at normal rpm on the street. You have to get it over 6-7k to do E36 M3 and the factory fuel injection is very jerky as well. I think a hooligan bike is not the best DD and this is coming from someone who has owned a lot of them

In reply to Blitzed306:

Ahh, you were hiding, thats why I couldnt remember.

The FZ09 is definitely a hooligan bike btw.....

Oh yeah, the old Sv 1k and 650 where both wheelie prone and fun. The Duc monsters are IMHO the most playful naked bikes, not too much power but also not boring. And its hard to.post these days working swing shifts lol

http://powersports.honda.com/2013/cb1000r.aspx

I feel this should make the list, designed by Honda Italy, everything I've read says it's a great do everything bike.