Technically every tool has limited use. Their specialized nature is a result of their purest function.
Technically every tool has limited use. Their specialized nature is a result of their purest function.
ultraclyde wrote: When I buy a tool, it better work correctly with a 2' cheater bar, double function as a hammer, and survive being riccocheted violently off the concrete shop floor in anger - and if it's strong enough to chip the floor, even better. Don't bring me crap "tools" and I won't be forced to beat you with them.
Quoting again, because car guy.
Back in my electrician days it was handy to carry a tool that did more than one job. Your perspective changes when you have to carry everything up a ladder with you.
I still find one all in one tool handy. Hotlinked for your pleasure.
novaderrik wrote:SupraWes wrote: Its neat, good luck finding a bolt head that has that much clearance around it. Even ratcheting wrenches are of limited use.i use my Craftsman swivel head ratcheting wrenches a lot. my only gripe was that the SAE set didn't come with an 11/16" wrench and the metric set didn't come with a 17mm..
what is up with Craftsman wrench sets not including a 17mm?
I really don't understand it.
Will wrote:pilotbraden wrote: Tools should be in the dining room, next to the engine on the table.In my case, it's a Thunderbird chrome bumper on the table.
BMW 325e shifter on the counter by the sink, currently.
corytate wrote:novaderrik wrote:what is up with Craftsman wrench sets not including a 17mm? I really don't understand it.SupraWes wrote: Its neat, good luck finding a bolt head that has that much clearance around it. Even ratcheting wrenches are of limited use.i use my Craftsman swivel head ratcheting wrenches a lot. my only gripe was that the SAE set didn't come with an 11/16" wrench and the metric set didn't come with a 17mm..
That brings to mind my old fox mustang. I'm pretty sure I took the engine out (several times) with a 17mm combination wrench and a pry bar. How could a 17 not be included?!?!
Metric wrench sets should just be:
21mm 17mm 14mm 12mm 10mm and 8mm.
Thats it.
I use 13mm frequently however usually I need a wrench rather than a socket and I broke my 13mm craftsman in half and have yet to get a replacement. So I would add 13mm to your list.
Don't forget 19mm...
corytate wrote:novaderrik wrote:what is up with Craftsman wrench sets not including a 17mm? I really don't understand it.SupraWes wrote: Its neat, good luck finding a bolt head that has that much clearance around it. Even ratcheting wrenches are of limited use.i use my Craftsman swivel head ratcheting wrenches a lot. my only gripe was that the SAE set didn't come with an 11/16" wrench and the metric set didn't come with a 17mm..
that way you have to buy it separate.. which makes it really odd that Craftsman doesn't sell that style of wrench in 17mm or 11/16"- i had to buy the Gear Wrench "almost the same, but not as nice" wrenches to complete the sets.
wvumtnbkr wrote: Metric wrench sets should just be: 21mm 17mm 14mm 12mm 10mm and 8mm. Thats it.
what kind of cars do you work on that don't have any 13mm or 15mm, or 19mm bolts or nuts?
wvumtnbkr wrote: Metric wrench sets should just be: 21mm 17mm 14mm 12mm 10mm and 8mm. Thats it.
nicksta43 wrote: I use 13mm frequently however usually I need a wrench rather than a socket and I broke my 13mm craftsman in half and have yet to get a replacement. So I would add 13mm to your list.
This is how I know that wvumtnbkr works on Asian cars and nicksta43 works on European ones.
novaderrik wrote:wvumtnbkr wrote: Metric wrench sets should just be: 21mm 17mm 14mm 12mm 10mm and 8mm. Thats it.what kind of cars do you work on that don't have any 13mm or 15mm, or 19mm bolts or nuts?
Not a single 13 or 15 on a Honda.
heh... I have a Fiat, BMW, and a Saab, each company has their "favourite" size bolts that you find all over the car
Plenty of 16's on my E36
I use 11mm all the time.
DILYSI Dave wrote:novaderrik wrote:Not a single 13 or 15 on a Honda.wvumtnbkr wrote: Metric wrench sets should just be: 21mm 17mm 14mm 12mm 10mm and 8mm. Thats it.what kind of cars do you work on that don't have any 13mm or 15mm, or 19mm bolts or nuts?
thought it was the weirdest thing ever when I discovered that the beetle was chock-full of 13mm bolts
seems like a metric set would be 10 12 13 14 15 17 18 19 21 24
My 12 and 14mm wrenches and sockets are probably the most pristine tools I own.
Perhaps the 71 Honda motorcycle I am dragging home will finally put them to use
The 12s and 14s seem to get replaced with 13s on BMW/VWs
Weird, my Chrysler turbo cars need 18mm added to the kit and the majority are 10, 13, 15, 17 and 19mm, but there are a few critical ones that are 18mm and will cause you to throw things if you don't have one. Annoying.
turboswede wrote: Weird, my Chrysler turbo cars need 18mm added to the kit and the majority are 10, 13, 15, 17 and 19mm, but there are a few critical ones that are 18mm and will cause you to throw things if you don't have one. Annoying.
agreed on the 18 mm, they're never included in a set but are on the rack at Sears
This is why certain cars seem to have "favorite" fastener sizes. Both my cars are Japanese, thus JIS, and that makes me happy. If I ever buy Bavarian, I might keep a separate DIN toolbox, just so I don't start grabbing 10mm when I want 11mm and vice versa...
peter wrote: This is why certain cars seem to have "favorite" fastener sizes. Both my cars are Japanese, thus JIS, and that makes me happy. If I ever buy Bavarian, I might keep a separate DIN toolbox, just so I don't start grabbing 10mm when I want 11mm and vice versa...
Man, you really do learn something new every day
Thanks, Peter. I always wondered that.
I do need to get two grab-n-go bags ready for the junkyards.
The really upsetting thing is when you get to work on Mitsubishis with Neon engines at the dealership after learning your trade in a Euro centric shop on BMW, VW, etc. 18 and 16 mm were super clean until that point. Then I got the thin long double closed end shallow offset 12/13mm wrench(Snap-on) for snaking down along the frame to do tbelts. Been a go to wrench for a long time now whether on Japanese or Euro trash.
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