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MyMiatas
MyMiatas HalfDork
8/16/23 8:40 p.m.

I saw what looked like a rocket mounted underneath,so I had to ask.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
8/17/23 1:48 a.m.

The plane Yeager (correction) flew in an altitude record attempt and eventually had to bail out of (as shown in The Right Stuff Movie) was an NF-104. An F-104 with a rocket booster attached to the tail and a reaction control system (reaction jets to provide control when there is no atmosphere).  The flight profile involved shutting down the engine at high altitude and an extremely high angle climb (using only the rocket) then restarting the engine by windmilling it as it descended (!)

An NF-104 set an altitude record of 120,000 feet in 1963.

The F-104 is a natural match with the B-58 though.  Both are the most bitchen' examples of a fighter and bomber ever to exist!

Why the asymmetric thrust line? My guess it's a combination being able to tie into structure that can take the thrust better and providing a pitch up tendency in the atmosphere.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_NF-104A


 

fasted58
fasted58 MegaDork
8/17/23 3:01 a.m.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
8/17/23 8:02 a.m.

In reply to MyMiatas :

That's the combined fuel tank/nuclear bomb. The design lacked an internal bomb bay, so it carried an underslung pod with a fuel tank and a nuclear warhead. You flew in on the fuel pod, dropped the nuclear warhead/fuel pod, and then blasted out of the area at Mach 2.

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
8/17/23 8:04 a.m.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/17/23 8:09 a.m.
aircooled said:

 

Why the asymmetric thrust line? My guess it's a combination being able to tie into structure that can take the thrust better and providing a pitch up tendency in the atmosphere.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_NF-104A


 

Eyeball analysis says that it is angled like that so it is pushing through the center of mass, so there is no thrust induced pitch.  Important when, as you point out, there is not enough air for the control surfaces to be useful.

If that pesky engine was not in the way, they could have mounted the rocket lower.

myf16n
myf16n GRM+ Memberand Reader
8/17/23 12:26 p.m.

A couple pics I took a few years ago. 
 

USAF TPS:


 

And the B-58 test bed named Snoopy with satellite calibration panels.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
8/17/23 12:41 p.m.

In reply to myf16n :

Yes, that is the First NF-104 (you can tell by the rocket on the tail) at Edwards AFB.  It is missing the RCS system (which extended the wings) though since they where loaned to Darryl Greenamyer for the F-104 he built out of part for a civilian high altitude record attempt, which he had to eject out of, at Edwards, when the left main gear would not lock down.    (I put that story up here somewhere recently, not sure if it was this thread).  Here is the plane in question:

Will
Will UberDork
8/17/23 2:49 p.m.
aircooled said:

The plane Armstrong flew in an altitude record attempt and eventually had to bail out of (as shown in The Right Stuff Movie) was an NF-104.

Chuck Yeager, Test Pilot Who Broke the Sound Barrier, Is Dead at 97 - The  New York Times

Yeager, not Armstrong.

Sam Shepard, who played Yeager in the movie, at left.

myf16n
myf16n GRM+ Memberand Reader
8/17/23 3:13 p.m.

Related pic:

I have been on Edwards many times since the early 80's and only recently discovered that this had been preserved. It was great to see.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
8/17/23 4:17 p.m.

In reply to Will :

Doh!  yes, Yeager of course.   Aviation hero's can sometimes be easy to mix up! surprise

How about a music transportation hero(!):

r/AdamCarolla - “Dave Mathews Band bus dumps sewage” now has historical marker

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
8/17/23 4:37 p.m.
MyMiatas said:

In reply to NickD :

Is that one of the planes that Neil Armstrong flew to high atmosphere to a high Mach speed?

Yeah, sorry, I got thrown by the B-58.  The above post with the X15 is correct, he did fly those, but they still aren't as 'purty' as the F-104 (which Yeager, not Armstrong flew).  X-15 for reference:

Armstrong made seven flights in the X-15 between November 30, 1960, and July 26, 1962.[57] He reached a top speed of Mach 5.74 (3,989 mph, 6,420 km/h) in the X-15-1

   

matthewmcl
matthewmcl Dork
8/17/23 5:18 p.m.

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This was(is?) on static display out in front of ERAU when I was attending.

myf16n
myf16n GRM+ Memberand Reader
8/17/23 5:55 p.m.

The X15 eventually flew with the first throttleable rocket engine.  I took these in the Edwards AFB museum. 

Duke
Duke MegaDork
8/18/23 8:12 a.m.

Overlander level:  OVER 9000

Aaron_King
Aaron_King GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
8/18/23 9:29 a.m.

In reply to Duke :

Having driven many miles in this version, that thing would be a beast.

Karacticus
Karacticus GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/18/23 9:30 a.m.

Scubanubis

Gary
Gary UberDork
8/18/23 6:09 p.m.

fasted58
fasted58 MegaDork
8/18/23 8:38 p.m.

fasted58
fasted58 MegaDork
8/18/23 10:25 p.m.

Fallingwatermelon

myf16n
myf16n GRM+ Memberand Reader
8/19/23 1:50 a.m.

chandler
chandler MegaDork
8/19/23 6:49 a.m.

In reply to myf16n :

Can't give more than one thumbs up!

 

chandler
chandler MegaDork
8/19/23 6:49 a.m.

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
8/19/23 9:13 a.m.

Time for an air filter change?

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
8/19/23 9:15 a.m.

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