CarKid1989
CarKid1989 Reader
2/11/09 9:07 p.m.

Any autocross potential? at all?

How about the toyota echo?

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/11/09 10:33 p.m.

i know a guy whose engine fell out on the highway with under 20k miles on it - gm bought it back from him.

whats wrong with the miata?

Duke
Duke Dork
2/11/09 10:34 p.m.

I'm thinking 2-digit horsepower numbers and tire sections in the 135mm range are not going to do much for your times, but I've been wrong before.

ZOOMiata
ZOOMiata GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/12/09 5:16 a.m.

You can have fun autoxing anything.

petegossett
petegossett GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/12/09 6:49 a.m.

They are built by Daewoo, but IIRC share the same platform as the Suzuki Swift that's sold in Canada. As I also remember, there was some type of spec-rally series for the Swift, so I'd suppose there's some performance parts out there.

Beyond that, I crawled underneath the front of one when they were first released & I can tell you the front strut assembly is setup just like the Rabbit/Neon/Protege/etc. with 2-lower bolts holding the strut to the carrier, so I'd think you could find something that would work, even if a bit of modification was involved.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 HalfDork
2/12/09 8:06 a.m.

toyota echos are banned by some autox sanctioning bodies aren't they because of their rollover potential?

Aveo's are turds, big ones, you can buy my girlfriends for $5k though, it's got less than 50k on the clock. I just recently mounted and balanced four new tires, oil change with mobil juan, and swapped out the ATF with some fresh fluid. ........oh did I mention timing chains go right around 60k as well.

jwdmotorsports
jwdmotorsports Reader
2/12/09 8:13 a.m.

I drive an Echo as my DD (hate the car but it's reliable and paid for)

I wouldn't auto-x it. It doesn't handle at all and it's top heavy because it's real tall for a small car.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/12/09 8:14 a.m.

I'd avoid anything built by Daewoo like the plague...

A manual Echo with wider wheels could make a decent autocross car. I wouldn't worry about rollovers, I'd worry about being able to see where you're going, especially if you're tall.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 HalfDork
2/12/09 9:34 a.m.

There was a magazine that put a supercharged Ecotec in one.... they were prepping it for time attack.

It made me happy in wierd places.

Wally
Wally GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/12/09 9:44 a.m.

My mom has a Daewoo and it is the worst car they've owned, and they had many 80's Chevys and Fords. The latest is that the imitation dog skin cover is peeling off the dashboard around the defroster vents, but it has had a number of bad sensors and other parts, each needing to be smuggled into the states packed inside frozen Kim Chi dinners causing the car to smell like bad cole slaw.

petegossett
petegossett GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/12/09 9:57 a.m.

And that ^^^ should make it into print!!!

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 HalfDork
2/12/09 10:43 a.m.

the bottom line is that they would be great cars with an ecotec, instead they get the Daewoo 1.6 E-TEC.....but that magazine that put the ecotec in one had to cut the front rad support, build half of a freakin tube framed chassis, nothing simple about the swap.

carguy123
carguy123 Dork
2/12/09 10:56 a.m.

But the Ecotec is friggin huge when compared to the engine the Aveo got. With the Ecotec in the nose the car would stand on end when sitting still.

John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/12/09 11:27 a.m.

Now I was impressed with the Aveo we had at NAPA for about 12 miles... then the numbness in my leg from the dashboard jutting into my shin started and I decided it was getting old.

A gutted Aveo with a real racing seat would be fun as a track car but that is as far as I would throw one.

maroon92
maroon92 SuperDork
2/12/09 11:30 a.m.

from GM's website, the Aveo is rockin' some sort of Ecotec derivitive....maybe that is just marketing speak....

besides, a Front heavy vehicle doesnt always handle terribly...the orriginal mini had a 62/38 Front to rear ratio....and they are fun as hell.

I figure a Cobalt SS supercharged 2.0 would be a blast in that thing.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 HalfDork
2/12/09 1:36 p.m.

it is no ecotec derivative! It's a got dang Daewooooooooooo Piece of f'ing CHIT!

suprf1y
suprf1y New Reader
2/12/09 2:46 p.m.

Its a Daewoo Lanos, if I recall. The Swift+ rally cars did well, were mostly stock, and according to the drivers, and mechanics, reliable. I don't think I would buy one, but as a used car, you can probably get one for a song. There are 'tuner' boards for the cars, and I have done a number of custom cams, and some headwork, so somebody is building them up.

You can have fun autoxing anything.

Thats true. I once saw a pic of my car in a magazine with that caption below it. I wasn't sure how to take it.

oldopelguy
oldopelguy HalfDork
2/12/09 2:55 p.m.

The e-Tec engine in the Aveo is the same block as the engine in the new Suzuki Reno and Forenza (sp?) and appears to be based on the old Opel red-top motors. It is made by Daewoo, but that's just another branch of GM pretty much now anyway.

I think the real HP swap would be to start out with the Reno's 2.0L motor and go from there. They can be had on e-vil-bay for under $500, and even today the old adage holds true: There's no replacement for displacement.

wlkelley3
wlkelley3 HalfDork
2/13/09 10:44 a.m.

And they're complaining about the Accent on GRM side. The Aveo should be classed with it. My wife had one as a rental when her Camry was in the bodyshop. What a gutless POS, not to mention the cheapness it exuded.

Strizzo
Strizzo Dork
2/13/09 11:04 a.m.
oldopelguy wrote: The e-Tec engine in the Aveo is the same block as the engine in the new Suzuki Reno and Forenza (sp?) and appears to be based on the old Opel red-top motors. It is made by Daewoo, but that's just another branch of GM pretty much now anyway. I think the real HP swap would be to start out with the Reno's 2.0L motor and go from there. They can be had on e-vil-bay for under $500, and even today the old adage holds true: There's no replacement for displacement.

the story i heard was that GM bought daewoo's operations outside of the US, then began importing the cars built elswhere into the US. this didn't make daewoo very happy i'm sure you can imagine

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt HalfDork
2/13/09 11:15 a.m.

I'm not sure it would be all that fast, but I drove one at the Auto Show in Motion and my impression was it was fun in a twisted beater abuse way.

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