Moderna got approval today. My parents, sister, brother in law, niece and nephew are all now scheduled for Tuesday. The youngest niece and nephew won't be getting it yet. Some my recall that my oldest niece donated bone marrow to me when she was 6. A decision that I still question, but it wasn't mine to make and I wasn't going to turn it down. I think she's as excited to meet Kizzy as she is to get vaccinated.
Not to get sidetracked, but in the midst of a global pandemic, any drugs or treatment that work regarding the virus or disease or whatever element is afflicting people will be utilized globally as long as capacity is able to be fulfilled. It's why Republican lawmakers underwent treatment that utilized synthetic fetal tissue. If heroin help combat severe covid-19 cases, it would be used. The notion that a single person recommended something and based upon that it is not universally accepted or utilized globally, is complete another horseE36 M3 and has no place on this board or in print anywhere digitally on the internet on social media and emails whatsoever. Cut the bullE36 M3. People's lives are at stake. Such behavior should be grounds for civil penalty in contributing causes the warrant unlawful death suites.
In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
And how many folks died because of the fear stoked by countless media outlets that said hcq was dangerous? Just because a dr prescribes a treatment doesn't mean folks actually take the medicine. There was a lot of misinformation spread regarding a now known effective and safe medicine, and the only reason I can think of is because the president said something. Or possibly because nobody can make money on a drug that no longer has a patent.
The misinformation is real. Fear is real. And it goes for both sides of the political spectrum.
In reply to barefootskater (Shaun) :
If it was effective and if it would have saved lives and if a doctor didn't prescribe it due to political reasons. The doctor would lose their medical license, there's something called a Hippocratic oath that a doctor takes. See the last paragraph of my previous post as it applies.
Regarding the drug in question being safe, why is it not available over the counter then? Why is a prescription store required? I'll reiterate again, cut the berkeleying bullE36 M3.
In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
https://c19study.com/
it is being used, rather widely. Just not here. That is the most recent data I can find without a membership paywall. So much of the response in this country is political and it shouldn't be. Much like the fear or refusal of masks, the media is the culprit. That said, most of the media would argue if trump said the sky was blue.
And as for needing a prescription for the drug, that goes for a ton of things. Allergy meds, rash creams, and all kinds of things that are not dangerous except in the hands of children or stuff like Sudafed that can be used for nefarious purposes.
And of note are the doctors (under their medical oath) who push pills. And a bunch of other bs that shouldn't happen.
And I wouldn't put it past any politician or pharma company to put personal gain ahead of the common good. There is no money in hcq.
And for your argument of using whatever is proven to be effective to save human lives, again I'll cite malaria. We know how to eliminate it completely, and we did it here. It's a much bigger killer than C19, yet it is allowed to continue.
You're a fool if you don't think big pharma and govt deals/contracts don't play a role in what's best for our everyday lives.
Every day you turn on the news/ or go to a website. Most are saying hide in your homes and wait. But there are medicines out there that can help. There's ways to improve your immune system to prevent illness. But there's no mass coverage of that.
Imagine if the 5oclock news said breaking, this is how you can help prevent the severness/survival of this pandemic. Sadly we get told to stay at home and wait
Stop guys.
You are way off topic, and way out of line.
I'm out, if I wanted to join parler I would have...
It's ideals like this they've turned the country into a covid laden cesspool.
The link barefootskater shared literally shows a higher response rate from vitamin D than it does from the drug in question that was promoted by the person that they're not so thinly veiled trying to defend. Is he a berkeleying doctor? thankfully as of January 21st there will be a doctor in the White House.
I'm out.
In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
Parler? That's not fair either.
With only 7% of commentators in this thread saying they would not take the vaccine, this ain't parler.
Everyone needs to calm down a bit. Please?
Capn., I sent you a pm. Let me know if you didn't get it. barefootskater1200 at g.
And I'll bow out too. This thread is best suited to calmer heads than mine.
it's been 24 hours now and I feel fine. No side effects whatever. Slight tenderness at the injection site but no different than any other IM shot ever.
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:
thankfully as of January 21st there will be a doctor in the White House.
Please tell me you don't mean Jill Biden. She has a PhD in education......
You do know the difference between her being a Dr and an actual medical Dr right?
Steve_Jones said:
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:
thankfully as of January 21st there will be a doctor in the White House.
Please tell me you don't mean Jill Biden. She has a PhD in education......
Actually she has an Ed.D. Now I'm going to get up the leaves in the yard before the Clemson-Notre Dame game.
And yes, I will get the vaccine when offered.
In reply to spitfirebill :
Was not sure which one, just know she's not a MD, as a lot of people are assuming for some reason. When you say "we will have a dr in the White House" thinking she's a medical doctor, you sound foolish.
A big part of my job over the last couple weeks has been to build out and test the IT systems that make scheduling and documentation of administering covid vaccines possible.
I'm happy that not only does everything work so far, but it was also no sweat really with existing technology.
It looks like there is a new strain breaking out in southern England. It apparently is noticeably more contagious, but, most importantly, there seems to be little reason to believe the current vaccines will not work on it. No information if it's affects are any different yet (the guess would be no).
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/covid-19-what-is-the-new-variant-of-coronavirus/
As the result of this news, England is trying to lock down travel in and out of southern England with very short notice, many are not happy. It's looking like quite a S-show will result.
I was watching BBC news for a bit of perspective. Let's just say, the US is not the only country that is getting a lot of push back from restrictions. This thing is exploding all over Europe again (not so much in France though).
I am near Los Angeles, and it's very bad. They are essentially out of ICU beds. New York and Florida appear to be on a big uptick. News is saying millions are still planning on traveling... this is going to get a lot worse I fear...
I just want to say. PLEASE be careful out there.
wae
UberDork
12/19/20 1:55 p.m.
From above:
younger adults, who have more robust immune systems, reported more side effects than older adults.
So, my guess about the side effects, relatively, reflecting how you would react to the virus, may be reversed.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:
A big part of my job over the last couple weeks has been to build out and test the IT systems that make scheduling and documentation of administering covid vaccines possible.
I'm happy that not only does everything work so far, but it was also no sweat really with existing technology.
You da man. I'll bet it feels good to see your work in action. Thank you.
ShawnG said:
Depends on where it's made.
USA, Europe, Canada? Yes but not until a few others have it in their system for a while.
China? Hell no.
I'm a pharmacist. You'd be amazed at how many of our drugs and/or their precusors come from China.
My nursey-girl daughter is one of the first in line here. She's been working on the Covid ward for about eight months.
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:
A big part of my job over the last couple weeks has been to build out and test the IT systems that make scheduling and documentation of administering covid vaccines possible.
I'm happy that not only does everything work so far, but it was also no sweat really with existing technology.
You da man. I'll bet it feels good to see your work in action. Thank you.
Well, thank you. But its kinda like people who built the roads that allow the trucks to distribute the vaccine. We all have our little contributions.
Yes. No. Maybe. Wall of words. Blah, blah....[/Sarcasm]
Seriously. Yes, as soon as it is available.
I've been shot.
My last COVID patient transport was Saturday and I was thinking, "Great, I'm going to get it just before I get the vaccine."
I expect that my shoulder will be a little sore soon, but so far, no noticeable effects. Mrs AAZCD says that I can't work under any cars today or go for a walk in the woods by myself....
My Mother's nursing home just reported another resident was infected last night. Still no word from the nursing home as to when Mom gets the vaccine. Two employees were infected there last week. No word yet as to when the nurses who work there will get the vaccine. I will have to sign the waiver before Mom gets it. The media says some nursing homes are getting it this week but I have no word yet. I would give up my stimulus check and my last stimulus check to get her the vaccine. I would give up my last two paychecks to get it for her nurses. She is seriously at risk. Everybody around her is getting infected. I see lots of people on tv getting the vaccine. WTF??
As for me, I will wait in line till it's my turn. A few months for me won't make a difference.
AAZCD (Forum Supporter) said:
...My last COVID patient transport was Saturday and I was thinking, "Great, I'm going to get it just before I get the vaccine."....
That would be an interesting question to know the answer to. What if you get the virus either right before or after your first shot? My guess it would be a bit of a footrace to see if the virus can replicate fast enough before the anti-bodies build up. I suspect the vaccine will always eventually win. Probably not a huge concern in general (unless it's potentially fatal), but transmissibility could still be an issue.
