In reply to volvoclearinghouse :
I am with you. Living in little boxes stacked one on top of another isn't life. I did enough of that stuff in college and my early 20s to know it wasn't for me. Being in or near downtown just isn't worth it. I even tried it in Europe for a few weeks last year. Nope.
If I could convince my wife, we would ditch our half acre plot and go further out.
Sadly I fled a small hometown for bigger city life. My company closed their warehouse their and I was left without a job or transfer. After weighing out several options the big town won. After 2 years we want to be back in the small town, but financially speaking we're better off we are. Yea money doesn't buy happiness, but not having the stress of what bill to pay this week is a blessing. Quite the condrum..
Back to the actual subject of the thread.
My mom will be receiving one of the vaccines on January 7 in her nursing home. Hopefully, this will mean some sort of normal visitation can start in the near future.
My wife, a nurse, will also be receiving the two stage version in the next few weeks.
volvoclearinghouse said:In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
According to teh googles, median medivac rides are about 10k. Assuming grandma's on Medicare, they cover about half, so grandma's tab would be about 5k. Hardly house-losing amounts of money.
Not that expensive if you have a decent job in the city, but if you earn $20 k a year working minimum wage because that's the only job available in some E36 M3ty little town...
Healthcare workers are declining the vaccine at a surprisingly high rate:
In reply to preach :
but I thought only uneducated anti-vaxxers and strupid people weren't getting the vaccine.
In reply to bobzilla :
Nice....that's some professional level trolling
This thing is so politicized that it's going to take years to get back to anywhere close to normalcy. Add in conspiracy theorists, social media influencers, and those that have never move beyond the self centered perspective they had as a teenager and we are going to be stuck like this for a while
The irony is that some of the people most outspoken about the negative impact of the restrictions are also some of the ones most unwilling to take measures to try to help move beyond needing them
They are willing to place their right to freedom above others right to live. It isn't unusual to have someone post that high risk people should stay home so the person posting can go back to their normal life, ignoring that their freedom would be at the expense of the freedom of people in higher risk groups.
I've gone far enough off topic, I'll go back to just watching again.
Streetwiseguy said:volvoclearinghouse said:In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
According to teh googles, median medivac rides are about 10k. Assuming grandma's on Medicare, they cover about half, so grandma's tab would be about 5k. Hardly house-losing amounts of money.
Not that expensive if you have a decent job in the city, but if you earn $20 k a year working minimum wage because that's the only job available in some E36 M3ty little town...
That person isn't going to pay the bill no matter what. You can't squeeze blood from a turnip.
No Time said:In reply to bobzilla :
words...They are willing to place their right to freedom above others right to live. ...words.
You can absolutely count me in that group. I am 100% unwilling to trade freedom for the safety of anyone. Your freedom is more important than my life. This country was founded by men willing to die for my freedom. For me to do otherwise would be to dishonor their sacrifice.
In reply to preach :
Im curious how many of them have had it. I've spoken to several people that still have high antibody counts and are passing so that someone who hasn't been infected can take it. That's not a cool headline though.
Toyman01 (Moderately Supportive Dude) said:No Time said:In reply to bobzilla :
words...They are willing to place their right to freedom above others right to live. ...words.
You can absolutely count me in that group. I am 100% unwilling to trade freedom for the safety of anyone. Your freedom is more important than my life. This country was founded by men willing to die for my freedom. For me to do otherwise would be to dishonor their sacrifice.
I'm a troll when I say these things.
Toyman01 (Moderately Supportive Dude) said:No Time said:In reply to bobzilla :
words...They are willing to place their right to freedom above others right to live. ...words.
You can absolutely count me in that group. I am 100% unwilling to trade freedom for the safety of anyone. Your freedom is more important than my life. This country was founded by men willing to die for my freedom. For me to do otherwise would be to dishonor their sacrifice.
What would you have done were you conscripted, giving up virtually all of your freedom involuntarily?
In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :
To fight for the freedoms of American citizens, you wouldn't have to conscript me. I'd volunteer.
Toyman01 (Moderately Supportive Dude) said:No Time said:In reply to bobzilla :
words...They are willing to place their right to freedom above others right to live. ...words.
You can absolutely count me in that group. I am 100% unwilling to trade freedom for the safety of anyone. Your freedom is more important than my life. This country was founded by men willing to die for my freedom. For me to do otherwise would be to dishonor their sacrifice.
Unfortunately I can only give you one "thumbs up".
There are many, many things in this world that are worth more than a life.
Toyman01 (Moderately Supportive Dude) said:No Time said:In reply to bobzilla :
words...They are willing to place their right to freedom above others right to live. ...words.
You can absolutely count me in that group. I am 100% unwilling to trade freedom for the safety of anyone. Your freedom is more important than my life. This country was founded by men willing to die for my freedom. For me to do otherwise would be to dishonor their sacrifice.
I wonder when someone makes a statement like that if they take into account that many of those brave men and women that fought for that freedom and fall into the high risk groups?
So your freedom to live your life as you wish is above their freedom to live their life?
If you are saying that it's ok for high risk people to stay locked inside and away from everyone to stay safe then are you saying their freedom is less valuable than yours?
When those brave men and women fought for the freedom of this country did they rank the freedom of "high risk " people lower than others?
There needs to be some social responsibility balanced with individual rights. Otherwise we're headed down a slippery slope. Right now you are willing to sacrifice the freedom of high risk groups in exchange for your own freedom, what group will you sacrifice next?
I'm with Toyman on this, and am sad I have but one thumbs up to give.
Toyman01 (Moderately Supportive Dude) said:In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :
To fight for the freedoms of American citizens, you wouldn't have to conscript me. I'd volunteer.
Ah. So those of us that are social distancing, doing what we can to support local businesses at the expense of our retirement savings because we went from 4 jobs to 1 due to this pandemic, wearing masks, signing up for vaccine trials and doing everything that we can to get a shot as early as possible, we’re the volunteer soldiers fighting for freedom?
And everyone else are the ones enjoying the freedom?
Or am I misinterpreting this?
preach said:Healthcare workers are declining the vaccine at a surprisingly high rate:
I am not sure this is terribly surprising (of course it needs to be presented that way to make the "news").
A certain percentage of people have a reluctance to take the vaccine. Health care workers are people. It should be noted that a large percentage (a vast majority I believe) of health care workers are not doctors or anyone with any training or experience with vaccines and the related technologies etc.
Now, if you took that pole with health care workers who work with COVID patients, it would be a bit shocking if it was a significant amount.
And let's be clear here. There are no forced vaccinations (unless you're in the military).
In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :
yet.
No Time said:So your freedom to live your life as you wish is above their freedom to live their life?
No.
I would voluntarily give up my life so that you (and others) can be free, even if that means you choose to utilize that freedom to criticize my actions and discredit my intentions.
Come on, man. No one hear is trying to murder anyone. We are all trying to learn how to be the best we can. Last time I checked, the Constitution gives Bobzilla the exact same amount of free speech it gives you.
The only thing you did was confirm the point he was making.
aircooled said:preach said:Healthcare workers are declining the vaccine at a surprisingly high rate:
I am not sure this is terribly surprising (of course it needs to be presented that way to make the "news").
A certain percentage of people have a reluctance to take the vaccine. Health care workers are people. It should be noted that a large percentage (a vast majority I believe) of health care workers are not doctors or anyone with any training or experience with vaccines and the related technologies etc.
Now, if you took that pole with health care workers who work with COVID patients, it would be a bit shocking if it was a significant amount.
Did you read the article? The health care workers referenced who work with COVID patients are also refusing the vaccinations in surprisingly high numbers.
I admire the passion required to sacrifice self for the safety and freedom of others.
However, wouldn't that same sacrifice also apply to mask wearing, social distancing, and receiving a vaccine? These are uncomfortable things that are being requested of us as citizens in order to maintain the health and freedom of the people of this country as well as the world. Isn't that also an honorable sacrifice to make for the future of others?
No trolling, please assume the best of intentions on my part. I always regret contributing to such passionate debates because I genuinely don't want to be responsible for making anyones day worse, or souring their worldview.
As for the vaccine, I intend to get it when I am offered it.
In reply to Gunchsta :
Who said I wasn't taking all those precautions?
I am.
In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :
My comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular, I apologize if it came across that way.
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