Corona Vaccine - Anyone getting it?

ProDarwin said:

eastsideTim said:

 For anthrax, it seems like there is still a lot going on as to whether it was safe or not, to the point where it is only recommended to people who are likely to be exposed.

Ok, taking this off topic a bit.  

Why do we not get the rabies vaccine?  Our pets do, but we don't.  Its the deadliest disease in existence with a 100% mortality rate.

Presumably for the same reason.  We aren’t overly likely to get rabies, unless we are in specific circumstances.

Edit:  also, I am assuming human to human transmission is unlikely, unless you get bitten by someone with it.

ProDarwin said:

eastsideTim said:

 For anthrax, it seems like there is still a lot going on as to whether it was safe or not, to the point where it is only recommended to people who are likely to be exposed.

Ok, taking this off topic a bit.  

Why do we not get the rabies vaccine?  Our pets do, but we don't.  Its the deadliest disease in existence with a 100% mortality rate.

Not sure its the same thing but I got bit by a dog when I was 5 or 6. My mom never found the dog and as a precaution had me take the vaccines. It was like 20 shots! Sucked big time. 

Y'all go right ahead.

68TR250 said:

All I've heard about it is from a doctor friend that I should plan on taking the next day because I'll feel really bad.

The idea that everyone who gets the vaccine is going to be out of commission the next day, or feel any I'll effects is getting blown out of proportion. From An article in Science magazine:

"And most people will escape “severe” side effects, defined as those that prevent daily activity. Fewer than 2% of recipients of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines developed severe fevers of 39°C to 40°C. ... The independent board that conducted the interim analysis of Moderna’s huge trial found that severe side effects included fatigue in 9.7% of participants, muscle pain in 8.9%, joint pain in 5.2%, and headache in 4.5%. For the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, the numbers were lower: Severe side effects included fatigue (3.8%) and headache (2%)."

So less than 10% of people feel fatigue, 5% feel sore and 2% get a severe fever. That's a lot different than "everyone will feel horrible the next day".

Every time I vacation in the USA, I see a ton of ads on television.

"Did you have X medical procedure? If so, you may be entitled to X"

Just wait...

ProDarwin said:

eastsideTim said:

 For anthrax, it seems like there is still a lot going on as to whether it was safe or not, to the point where it is only recommended to people who are likely to be exposed.

Ok, taking this off topic a bit.  

Why do we not get the rabies vaccine?  Our pets do, but we don't.  Its the deadliest disease in existence with a 100% mortality rate.

Because it has a 100% mortality rate, and its signs are extremely obvious. Can't transmit if you're dead. People avoid you if you're foaming at the mouth. 

I am 90% sure that most, if not all, veterinarians get it. My brother gets it because he fosters dogs. No real reason for most people to get it.

ShawnG said:

Every time I vacation in the USA, I see a ton of ads on television.

"Did you have X medical procedure? If so, you may be entitled to X"

Just wait...

Have you also noticed we're one of less than 10 countries in the world that advertise prescription drugs directly to potential patients instead of just to the doctors that prescribe them?

Nope. The flu shot almost put me in the hospital for three days. For that reason, and the fact that I'm simply not alarmed by Big Rona. 
i have known more than 10 people with it. They all said they had a fever of about 100 - 100.5 for 3-4 days, a sore throat for a day or two, and kinda tired. 
sounds like a cold or allergy season. I'm not going to take something that was rushed to market so maybe I won't get a virus that has a 99+% survival rate. 
I'm sure I'll get flamed for that. I'm ok with that. 

mtn (Forum Supporter) said:

 

Because it has a 100% mortality rate, and its signs are extremely obvious. Can't transmit if you're dead. People avoid you if you're foaming at the mouth. 

 

Yeah, this makes sense.  I guess we do a good job.  Around 3 deaths/year, the last one being in Oct. 2018.  Something about it scares me though :/

Almost any mammal can be carrying it and transmit it before showing symptoms.  A bat can bite you and transmit it and it won't even leave a mark (always go get the vaccine if you find a bat in the room with a sleeping person).  I've heard horror stories of the vaccine being hard to get after someone getting infected as well.

Back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

In reply to Mr_Asa :

Mercola is a wild ride for sure! I thought it was a good article however. With the insane amount of money the pharmaceutical company's spend on advertising they more or less own the news at this point, so I don't mind looking at other places that don't have the financial incentive. Here is a Forbes piece about the trials: https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/?sh=60a24a595247

Yep, I'll happily get it although I won't be at the front of the line given I'm considered pretty low-risk.

I don't live in fear, but I believe in science and understand how my being vaccinated may help prevent someone higher-risk from going on a ventilator and/or dying. Empathy for others is a great thing.

My bride and I will get it, but we both have risk factors.  On top of that, our daughter works in the OR at the local hospital and is living with us - grandsons are here as well.

Oddly, neither of us are afraid of the government tracking us through the chip that will be injected along with the vaccine.

mtn (Forum Supporter) said:

ProDarwin said:

eastsideTim said:

 For anthrax, it seems like there is still a lot going on as to whether it was safe or not, to the point where it is only recommended to people who are likely to be exposed.

Ok, taking this off topic a bit.  

Why do we not get the rabies vaccine?  Our pets do, but we don't.  Its the deadliest disease in existence with a 100% mortality rate.

Because it has a 100% mortality rate, and its signs are extremely obvious. Can't transmit if you're dead. People avoid you if you're foaming at the mouth. 

 

I am 90% sure that most, if not all, veterinarians get it. My brother gets it because he fosters dogs. No real reason for most people to get it.

Some rehabbers we know received it due to them frequently handling bats. 
 

To clarify, there are 2 different rabies vaccines: there's the preemptive one for veterinarians & others who are at risk due to handling certain animals, then there's the one most people receive after being bitten. I don't know the specific differences though. 
 

Also, outside of bats, the chance of a wild animal in the US having rabies is much lower than that of a stray/feral cat or dog. For example there have been no cases of rabies in raccoons here in MS for at least 50-years. Of course that doesn't mean you should ignore the possibility, just that you should be way more concerned about petting any stray cats/dogs than about random wildlife you may encounter. 

In reply to ProDarwin :

Probably over half of this forum (myself included) hasn't been vaccinated against smallpox either.

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) said:

you should be way more concerned about petting any stray cats/dogs than about random wildlife you may encounter. 

*tries to pet Grizzly Bear*

ProDarwin said:

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) said:

you should be way more concerned about petting any stray cats/dogs than about random wildlife you may encounter. 

*tries to pet Grizzly Bear*

DONT PET THE BEAR!

You're supposed to hug the bear. 
 

Schmidlap said:

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....So less than 10% of people feel fatigue, 5% feel sore and 2% get a severe fever. That's a lot different than "everyone will feel horrible the next day".

This may support my guess that how badly you respond to the vaccine will mirror how badly you would respond to the virus since this sound similar to the % of virus responses (ramped way down of course).  Again, this data would be FAR more useful if broken out by age and pre-existing conditions.

I do find it interesting (ironic?) that one of the reason people don't worry about getting the (edit) virus is because they don't want to "live in fear", but many also (same group?) don't want to take the vaccine because they "fear" what it might do to them.

What I do wonder is how many of the 20-30 ish group will even bother to get it.  They have been suspected of being the primary spreaders but are not heavily affected by it so don't have a lot of motivation to get it.

The good news?  The rather massive spread that is going on now (and likely again with Christmas) will be very helpful in reaching the required %.  Assuming the infected's immunity last long enough for others to get immunized.

(sorry, mistyped, edited to change vaccine to virus)

*sigh* so I see we are back to misquoting the live in fear thing all over again. Done. 

In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :

I don't have any problem with ID cards. I'm curious of the legality of asking the masses about personal medical info, and I'm quite sure that such ID cards will be forged and faked, sold or destroyed in mass. 

bobzilla said:

*sigh* so I see we are back to misquoting the live in fear thing all over again. Done. 

Seriously. Can we just not? When one side accuses the other of "living in fear" and the other accuses THEM of "not believing in science", we aren't changing anyone's minds. We're just pissing each other off.

Gonna get vaccinated so hard.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:

bobzilla said:

*sigh* so I see we are back to misquoting the live in fear thing all over again. Done. 

Seriously. Can we just not? When one side accuses the other of "living in fear" and the other accuses THEM of "not believing in science", we aren't changing anyone's minds. We're just pissing each other off.

Well, we made it to page 5. By usual forum standards, that's pretty good, but we're GRM. I know we can do better.

Ethnic Food-Wrap Aficionado said:

Gonna get vaccinated so hard.

This guy just won the thread. 

I just got my number to get my vaccine. Only 265 million callers ahead of me, Jimmy. 

11GTCS said:

Fueled by Caffeine said:

People are losing their brains over the idea of being issued a vaccine card. 10 years ago I started traveling to Asia for work.  Went to the company medical. Got vaccinated. Got a vaccine card. Still carry it with my while I travel. 

This. I had to get one for my Coast Guard license documentation.  36 years ago.

Pretty sure that had been a requirement for a very long time before I had one.

While cleaning out Grandpop's house, Dad found his vaccine card from when he was 2 or 3 and Grandpop got stationed in Italy.