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Duke
Duke MegaDork
10/2/19 11:07 a.m.

America's Middle Class Can't Afford Its Cars

Sorry, but poor buying decisions and lack of self control on the part of consumers are NOT failures of either the industry or the economy.  There has never been a better bang-for-the-buck time to buy a new car.

I particularly like the irony of the personal example they give in the second or third paragraph.

Discuss?

[edit]  For those having trouble getting to the article, ummm, here you go.  I had to do some tweaking and all the graphs had to go, but I tried not to lose any copy:

 

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Walk into an auto dealership these days and you might walk out with a seven-year car loan.

That means monthly payments that last well past when the brake pads give out and potentially beyond when the car gets traded in for a new one. About a third of auto loans for new vehicles taken in the first half of 2019 had terms of longer than six years, according to credit-reporting firm Experian PLC. A decade ago, that number was less than 10%.

Car loans that are increasingly stretched out are a pronounced sign that some American middle class buyers can’t afford a middle-class lifestyle.

Incomes have risen at a sluggish pace in the past decade, but car prices have grown rapidly. New technological and safety features, such as larger and more sophisticated multimedia displays, have made even the most basic cars more expensive. U.S. consumers have also veered toward pricier rides such as sport-utility vehicles that tend to dominate auto showrooms. The result is that consumers are seeking bigger loans than ever to purchase a car.

Growing Dues

Americans are taking on more debt for college, cars and credit cards.

 

A lending machine has revved up in response, making it possible for more Americans to procure a vehicle by spreading the debt over longer periods. Wall Street investors snap up these loans, which are bundled into bonds. Dealers now make more money on the loans their customers take than on the cars they sell.

For many Americans, the availability of loans with longer terms has created an illusion of affordability. It has helped fuel car purchases that would have been out of reach with three-, five- or even six-year loans.

“People can get into very expensive cars,” said Bronson Argyle, a professor at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, whose research focuses on consumer credit. “Households are taking on, on average, more risk.”

Deven Jones, seen here in his Honda Accord.

 

Deven Jones walked into the Rolling Hills Honda dealership in St. Joseph, Mo., in early 2017 after a salesman emailed him and said he might be able to buy a new car for less than $400 a month.

Mr. Jones, now 22 years old, walked out with a gray Accord sedan with heated leather seats. He also took home a 72-month car loan that cost him and his then-girlfriend more than $500 a month. When they split last year and the monthly payment fell solely to him, it suddenly took up more than a quarter of his take-home pay.

He paid $27,000 for the car, less than the sticker price, but took out a $36,000 loan with an interest rate of 1.9% to cover the purchase price and unpaid debt on two vehicles he bought as a teenager. It was particularly burdensome when combined with his other debt, including credit cards, he said.

Just 18% of U.S. households had enough liquid assets to cover the cost of a new car, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of 2016 data from the Fed’s triennial Survey of Consumer Finances, a proportion that hasn’t changed much in recent years.

Even a conservative car loan often won’t do it. The median-income U.S. household with a four-year loan, 20% down and a payment under 10% of gross income—a standard budget—could afford a car worth $18,390, excluding taxes, according to an analysis by personal-finance website Bankrate.com.

Stretched-out Debt

Auto loans are increasingly getting stretched out to keep payments manageable.

But the size of the average auto loan has grown by about a third over the past decade to $32,119 for a new car, according to Experian. To keep payments manageable, the car industry has taken to adding more months to the end of the loan.  The average loan stretches for roughly 69 months, a record. Some last much longer. In the first half of the year, 1.5% of auto loans for new vehicles had terms of 85 months or longer, according to Experian. Five years ago, these eight- and nine-year loans were practically nonexistent.As a result, a growing share of car buyers won’t pay off the debt before they trade in their cars for new ones, either because the car is in need of repairs or because they want a newer model. A third of new-car buyers who trade in their cars roll debt from old vehicles into their new loans, according to car-shopping site Edmunds. That is up from about a quarter before the financial crisis.  Americans have been borrowing to buy their cars for decades, but auto debt has swelled since the financial crisis. U.S. consumers held a record $1.3 trillion of debt tied to their cars at the end of June, according to the Federal Reserve, up from about $740 billion a decade earlier. As the global financial system flirted with disaster more than 10 years ago, two of the big three U.S. auto makers received government bailouts and restructured their debt in bankruptcy. The industry emerged into a battered economy when consumers hardly had the cash to go car shopping.

Yet for the auto industry, there was a silver lining: Interest rates had fallen to practically zero. Suddenly, it was much cheaper to finance a car. Loans made to buyers were snapped up by Wall Street investors looking for returns as income from supersafe Treasurys drifted toward zero. The combination of rock-bottom rates and yield-hungry investors helped bring the U.S. auto industry back to life. By 2015, auto sales had reached records.  Low rates, in effect, served as a bailout for the entire auto industry. Last year, investors bought a record $107 billion of bonds backed by cars, according to the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association, a trade group. That is the first issuance record since 2005 and nearly triple the amount two decades earlier. The outstanding pile of auto bonds swelled to a record $264 billion.

So far this year, dealerships made an average of $982 per new vehicle on finance and insurance versus $381 on the actual sale, according to J.D. Power, a data and analytics company. A decade earlier, financing brought in $516 per car and the sale made dealers $837.  To see these shifts up close, visit a dealership’s finance office. Dealers call it “the box,” a reference to the holding cell to which Paul Newman’s character was sent in the 1967 movie “Cool Hand Luke.” Since most buyers borrow to pay for their cars, it falls on the finance manager to figure out a manageable payment schedule.

Higher vehicle prices and a bigger appetite for SUVs means Americans are spending more money on buying cars.  Dealers make more money on car loans than the cars they sell.  The dealership commonly holds on to a portion of the interest rate, typically between 1 and 2 percentage points, or gets a one-time payment from the lender. The dealer also pitches high-margin add-on services, such as extended warranties and insurance for dings and dents, which are rolled into the loan.When potential buyers enter Petrov Degand’s office at Earl Stewart Toyota in North Palm Beach, Fla., he walks them through each add-on, presenting the full menu of options, he said. He has seen finance managers quote a price in which the add-ons are already bundled into the loan amount to increase the bottom line, a tactic known as “packing the payment.”

 

 

 

 

 

Jose Mercado agreed to buy a series of add-ons, including an extended warranty, for his new RAV4 midway into his fifth hour at a Toyota dealership this spring. Mr. Mercado, 41, who lives in Blackwood, N.J., and works in a chocolate factory, had spent the previous six months reading reviews and figuring out how much he should pay for the car.  He found himself unprepared for the hard sell from the finance manager. The add-ons brought his payment to $448 a month, nearly $100 more than he had expected to pay when he walked in to buy his first new car in 18 years.

“I wish my research would have been deeper to be more ready,” he said.

Mr. Jones walked out of the Rolling Hills Honda dealership with a 72-month car loan amounting to $36,000.  Finance managers at dealerships typically use an electronic portal to hash out the terms of the loans. On the other end are various financial institutions that buy up the loan pretty much as soon as the dealer closes the deal.  Banks and credit unions are big lenders, as are the finance arms of major car makers. Some of these lenders shunned riskier subprime borrowers after the financial crisis, fueling the growth of independent nonbank auto lenders.  Westlake Services LLC is among the biggest. Its owner, billionaire Don Hankey, started lending four decades ago when, as a dealer, he realized subprime buyers needed somewhere to get their financing. Westlake is still focused on these borrowers, but it has pursued more creditworthy customers as it has grown in recent years.  Much like a dealership, the company is obsessed with results. An automated system sends emails to employees with an image of a winking robot when they are late to work, unproductive or exceed expectations. Workers get monthly bonuses based on how they stack up against their goals. Screens around the office display auto loan applications as they come in.  Westlake needs to make sure the monthly payments on its auto loans keep flowing. Late borrowers can expect calls from the company immediately. Roughly 40% of its employees focus exclusively on collecting.  The loan payment fell solely on Mr. Jones after he and his then-girlfriend broke up a few years after buying the car.

In mid-April, a representative who handles the most-difficult cases called a past-due borrower to iron out payment on a 2018 Toyota RAV4. The borrower had struggled to keep up with a payment of more than $800. The car already had been repossessed from the borrower once.  The Westlake representative switched between English and Spanish. He offered an extension on the March payment, meaning it wouldn’t be due until the end of the loan in 2024. But he collected nearly $600 on a partial payment for April over the phone. Borrowers are less likely to resume payments if they stop altogether.  After hanging up, the representative rang a bell at his desk. “35K,” he called out, referring to the balance of the loan that was no longer considered seriously delinquent. “It took a while but I got ’em.”

Across the industry, delinquencies have trended higher in the past few years, but they haven’t surged like mortgage delinquencies did during the financial crisis. Investors have been largely content to buy lenders’ auto bonds as they search for returns in a low-rate world. Losses are significantly higher when loan terms lengthen, according to S&P Global Ratings.

Mr. Jones, in Missouri, got his loan from Honda’s financing arm, which pools a large portion of its loans into bonds that it sells to investors. A $1.25 billion sale from late 2017 contained more than 7,000 loans tied to 2017 Accords like the one Mr. Jones owns, according to loan-level data.

The investors who hold Mr. Jones’s loan are still getting paid because he has remained current. Mr. Jones took on more overtime shifts at the plastic factory where he works as a machine operator. A raise and a bonus helped get him to stable ground. Still, he will be making payments for years to come.  Mr. Jones said he doesn’t plan to take out another auto loan soon. “Even just signing the paper, not even driving the car off the lot, suddenly I’m underwater,” he said.

—Shane Shifflett contributed to this article.

Corrections & Amplifications
Deven Jones took out a 72-month auto loan in early 2017. An earlier version incorrectly said he took an 84-month loan about three years ago. (Oct. 1, 2019)

mtn
mtn MegaDork
10/2/19 11:12 a.m.

Need a subscription to read it, but I'll probably say that I agree, and it is a matter of people not sitting down to see what they can actually afford. 


When I went in to buy a new van for Mrs. mtn, the salesman asked what I was looking to spend monthly. That really pissed me off, and I said that it wasn't relevant to the conversation and we would be negotiating on the price and we could discuss the financing later. But how many people think "wow, I can afford the payments on this car!"

pheller
pheller UltimaDork
10/2/19 11:15 a.m.

The better question is: do we make it too easy to own a new car? 

Duke
Duke MegaDork
10/2/19 11:16 a.m.
mtn said:

Need a subscription to read it

I didn't.  I just clicked the goaway box in the pop up and was able to move right on to reading the article.

 

mtn
mtn MegaDork
10/2/19 11:18 a.m.
Duke said:
mtn said:

Need a subscription to read it

I didn't.  I just clicked the goaway box in the pop up and was able to move right on to reading the article.

 

Ah - I just got through it by opening an incognito browser.

 

EDIT: Yeah, stupid article. "People buy more car than they can afford and roll old bad debt into new bad debt putting them underwater"

Cooter
Cooter UltraDork
10/2/19 11:21 a.m.

STM317
STM317 UltraDork
10/2/19 11:31 a.m.

The article is 'for subscribers only' for me too. But I'll say this:

With cars specifically, consumers currently get "more for your money" than any other time in history. Cars also last longer, so they should need replacement less often. Using cars to build the argument that times are hard for the middle class may not be the best choice.

The problem is not car prices, it's lack of money on a broad scale. We frequently hear stories about how the Average American would struggle to get a few hundred dollars in an emergency, or has like 10k in retirement savings at age 50 or whatever and we're expecting them to be able to afford a $30-40k vehicle? Making poor financial choices obviously contributes to the problem, but a large percentage of the population has always made poor financial choices. What's different about current times than the past? There's less margin for error now.

We're now 3 generations deep into a culture that has grown up expecting to be able to have everything they've ever wanted because they saw it on TV. Advertisements are shoved into our eyes/ears more than ever. There are easy financing options for just about anything. Are we really surprised when people have trouble distinguishing between needs/wants? The whole system is designed to make you want unnecessary E36 M3 in order to separate you from your money.

slefain
slefain PowerDork
10/2/19 11:36 a.m.

My left eye started to twitch just reading that article. At 41 I took out the first car loan of my life, but only after putting well over half down. Could have bought the car outright, but I wanted cash on hand in case anything came up with our house refurb. The payment is $150 a month at a stupid low APR, so it doesn't bother me.

I've typed/deleted so many rants for this reply that I can't keep it straight. Pretty much people make bad buying decisions. As a car person, I try to help educate people about their car buying options. I think we'd all be doing a community service if we did the same. I've had two people now actually listen to me, so miracles do happen.
 

Cooter
Cooter UltraDork
10/2/19 11:38 a.m.

I haven't bought a brand new car in nearly 2 decades.  Nor do I want to (I really didn't want to then, for that matter).   But the fact of the matter is that buying used and/or beater cars has become a thing of the past for many, as working on them has become exponentially more difficult and expensive.    Not many people hav the knw how nor the desire to do even simple maintenance tasks on their cars anymore, and having that desire and ability is looked down upon.   

pkingham
pkingham GRM+ Memberand Reader
10/2/19 11:43 a.m.

This conversation has a lot of commonality with the college loan discussions.  People making commitments for long term expenditures without really appreciating the impact of that commitment and not necessarily having a good justification for making that commitment.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
10/2/19 11:44 a.m.
STM317 said:

Are we really surprised when people have trouble distinguishing between needs/wants?

Surprised?  Maybe, maybe not.  Sympathetic?  Definitely not.  "Living within your means" is not an intelligence thing or an education thing.  All it takes is a little common sense and a little self control.

I won't ignore that I started life with some advantages many do not have.  But I also didn't waste resources on overly expensive luxuries or in continual pursuit of the next new thing.

 

ShawnG
ShawnG PowerDork
10/2/19 11:47 a.m.

It's also people thinking they need a new car every 5 years.

I've always driven cars 10 years old or better until they no longer serve my purpose or are too rotten to keep driving anymore. My 2003 Tacoma is the newest thing I've ever owned. To me it feels like a new truck still. I'll probably get another 10 years out of it at this rate.

FuzzWuzzy
FuzzWuzzy Reader
10/2/19 11:57 a.m.

The masses are still bad when it comes to finances. Who knew?

People still lack impulse control and are still trying to keep up with their neighbor, who's trying to keep up with a coworker, who's trying to keep up with etc etc etc.

Combine that with lenders willing to extend car loans out to, what was the longest I've seen...8 years? Just to keep those monthly payments low?

And now that top tier phones are at $1k, come out every year or so, and people jump at the chance to have the latest and greatest because texting, youtube, and TwitBook requires faster hardware....I see this getting worse and worse.

People are getting pushed in to perpetual debt and don't mind one bit.

wae
wae SuperDork
10/2/19 12:01 p.m.

Here's what I have the biggest problem with:

Mr. Jones, now 22 years old, walked out with a gray Accord sedan with heated leather seats. He also took home a 72-month car loan that cost him and his then-girlfriend more than $500 a month. When they split last year and the monthly payment fell solely to him, it suddenly took up more than a quarter of his take-home pay.

He paid $27,000 for the car, less than the sticker price, but took out a $36,000 loan with an interest rate of 1.9% to cover the purchase price and unpaid debt on two vehicles he bought as a teenager. It was particularly burdensome when combined with his other debt, including credit cards, he said.

So let me get this straight...  He bought the car in early 2017, so he would have been 20 years old.  Already had $9,000 in debt that he owed across two other cars that we can assume he no longer has.  And that debt was on top of his credit card debt and probably student loans.

Why the hell does a 20 year old who is over 9,000 in debt think he has any business walking into a new car lot!?  I suppose it's fashionable to somehow blame the dealership or the finance company or the auto manufacturer, but when do we stop and say that maybe this dude ain't that bright.  And on top of all that, he expects his girlfriend to go halfsies on the payment with him?  Not to sound too much like a social conservative, but wtf do you expect when you're in a relationship that has no legal framework!?  You wouldn't expect two companies to engage in a joint venture, each paying half the costs without some sort of contract mechanism to ensure that one party wouldn't get caught holding the bag.  And further infuriating me is the unstated fact that apparently in that process he was cool with letting his girlfriend split the cost of the debt he accumulated as a teenager.  That's a really chivalrous thing to do.

Where's that "what do you deserve" thread?  I think many of the points in there are applicable here.  The problem isn't so much that new cars are expensive, it's that people think they "deserve" a brand new car because they "work hard", confusing "effort" for "result".  So they spend money they don't have because no one ever taught them that sometimes even when you participate to the best of your ability, it's not good enough to achieve the goal you have set for yourself.

That said, new cars are pretty expensive in terms of raw dollars, but they're also so much better and last longer.  In 1972 a Beetle was $2,000.  That's about $12,500 in 2019 dollars, and I think the closest you can get to that is a Chevy Spark.  Nostalgia and character aside, the Spark is a much better car in terms of power, comfort, features, and safety, although you might make the argument that the VW would have been longer-lasting before major repairs were needed.

That's enough of that for now.  I've got to go yell at those kids to get off my lawn.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
10/2/19 12:08 p.m.

For those having trouble, I edited the first post to include the text of the WSJ article.  It is entirely their property.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
10/2/19 12:08 p.m.

These people just need some help and guidance in life.. 

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 UltimaDork
10/2/19 12:09 p.m.
FuzzWuzzy said:

People are getting pushed in to perpetual debt and don't mind one bit.

While it's true they don't seem to mind, they are not getting pushed.  They are willfully jumping into debt with hedonistic reckless abandon.  Mercedes used to be driven by doctors and lawyers, now every poor schlub owns one.  I wonder how many get repo'd?

The solution is to teach personal responsibility and consequences.  The culture is all about avoiding responsibility and consequences.  It's not surprising that we are where we are. 

 

STM317
STM317 UltraDork
10/2/19 12:45 p.m.
Duke said:
STM317 said:

Are we really surprised when people have trouble distinguishing between needs/wants?

Surprised?  Maybe, maybe not.  Sympathetic?  Definitely not.  "Living within your means" is not an intelligence thing or an education thing.  All it takes is a little common sense and a little self control.

I won't ignore that I started life with some advantages many do not have.  But I also didn't waste resources on overly expensive luxuries or in continual pursuit of the next new thing.

 

I wonder if the percentage of people "living within their means" is any different now than it was in 1980, or 1950, or 1930? It wouldn't really surprise me if it were smaller now. But, I'd argue that people and their motivations haven't changed in that time, but the system that we live in sure has. Tons of people have always been bad with money, and people have always wanted more stuff. Banks and lenders have just found ways to cater to those facets of human nature and profit from them. In the past, you couldn't get crazy long car loans, or loans for paying your rent, or buying a mattress or TV. You didn't have to take out loans to afford higher education that saddled you with debt for 2 decades or more after graduation. You didn't have larger and larger percentages of your income being consumed by housing, insurance, child care, etc. In the past you didn't have to worry about your retirement savings because your employer took care of all of that for you with a pension. Now part of your income has to go towards that in addition to the other things.

I guess what I'm suggesting is that it might've been easier to "live within your means" in the past than it is now. You can do everything right, live frugally, and still struggle. Incomes were higher relative to inflation, and expenses were lower, so there was more financial cushion. Add to that the fact that it was more difficult to get financing for large purchases, and impossible to get it for small purchases, and we're in relatively new territory. The smart (or lucky) people will still find ways to thrive relative to their peers, but the average person either has to do without compared to previous generations, or they sign up for a lifetime of debt repayment slavery and working until they're 70. We're seeing that they're more comfortable with massive debt than they are going without.

Personal anecdote:

My grandfather was the sole breadwinner for a family with 5 kids in the late 50s and 60s. He was a low level manager @ GM. They had a nice home in an upscale part of town, paid for all 5 kids to attend private colleges, he got divorced twice and still had enough to retire to his condo in South Florida and fish a few times per week on his boat in the Gulf.

My wife's grandfather was a truck driver in the same era. He also was the sole breadwinner for a family with 5 kids. They had a more modest home in a good neighborhood, but had 2 lake houses (1 an hour from home and one several states away) and they spent their weekends fishing/skiing on their boats. Retired with a pension that took care of them and moved to a nicer house in a fancy neighborhood.

Neither of them would've been able to live that same lifestyle today if they'd made the same choices.

My parents and inlaws didn't have it as easy as their parents did. Partly because of choices they made and partly because the world was different than the world of their parents. Both spouses had to work to support average homes with 2 kids. Only 1 of the 4 of them has a college degree, but they had enough to buy modest new vehicles every 3-5 years and race cars/fishing boats/ etc on the side. They didn't have pensions like their parents, so retirement savings are a little slim but they're still surviving and will hopefully be able to retire modestly by "official retirement age".

None of them would've been able to live that same lifestyle today if they'd made the same choices.

There's a general trend across the last 50-ish years, and it's not "things are getting easier for the middle class". This seems to align with certain tax policies, businesses adopting the idea that their primary duty was to maximize earnings for shareholders, and the subsequent increase in wealth disparity.

eastsideTim
eastsideTim UberDork
10/2/19 12:46 p.m.

In reply to wae :

I wouldn’t be surprised if a certain relative of mine has that much debt on cars they no longer own.  Thankfully, their credit is so shot there’s no way they could get a new car loan right now. 

TopNoodles
TopNoodles Reader
10/2/19 12:47 p.m.
1988RedT2 said

While it's true they don't seem to mind, they are not getting pushed. 

There is tremendous pressure on students to take on college debt, and they are usually told it's ALWAYS the best option no matter the cost. It's either scholarships or debt, not going to college isn't presented as an option for success.

I still agree with the rest of your post.

93gsxturbo
93gsxturbo SuperDork
10/2/19 12:54 p.m.
STM317 said:
businesses adopting the idea that their primary duty was to maximize earnings for shareholders

This statement always chaps my ass - of course that's the goal of business!  If you want in on some of the action, become a shareholder.  Otherwise feel free to sit on the sidelines and complain about being left behind.  

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
10/2/19 12:56 p.m.

We live in a big, fat, glutonous country where people spend more than they make, and the vast majority of people who are considered “poor” have a bed to sleep in, HVAC, cell phone, internet, car, a TV, and all the free food they can eat. It’s great to be an American!!!

slowbird
slowbird HalfDork
10/2/19 12:59 p.m.

In reply to 93gsxturbo :

The point is, they put earnings for shareholders and salaries for CEOs far above paying their employees a living wage, giving them decent benefits, or giving them the appropriate amounts of break and lunch periods for their given workload. See also: the way Amazon treats their warehouse workers.

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
10/2/19 1:13 p.m.

One new way of looking at the economic classes as defined by some economists is as follows:

Lower class: net worth $0, get paid Friday have spent everything by Thursday night before next paycheck

Middle class: net worth NEGATIVE, have personal loans and home loans and car loans and little savings

Upper class: net worth positive, make money from money they already own

By that perspective, middle class is DEFINED by their desire to spend more than they have. So is it a surprise that middle class spends more than they have on cars too? Nope, no surprise.

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
10/2/19 1:17 p.m.

And, by the way, I shouldn't throw stones!

I have bought cars that need more time than I can spend so I've basically already "spent" much more project car time than I have. So instead of being a slave to debt, I'm a slave to all the work on all these non running E36 M3boxes that is on my plate but not yet complete.

Haha.

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