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NickD
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12/6/22 8:50 a.m.
914Driver said:

 

Ahh, to have been able to see #611 in her prime, getting a chance to stretch her legs. It's nice that Strasburg gives it someplace to run, and I'm glad that it was close enough to go and see it, but watching it run tender-first at 5mph on a flat straight piece of track is a bit underwhelming. When I went on the NKP #765 trip this summer, there was a guy there who had come up from Roanoke and he asked if I had seen #611. I mentioned seeing, and operating, it at Strasburg and he went "Oh, so you haven't really seen her." Hopefully some sort of possibility opens up for her in the near future. Supposedly they had talks with Reading & Northern but couldn't agree on terms, which is too bad, although I'm sure if that were to happen, tickets would sell out instantly and trackside would be mobbed.

NickD
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12/6/22 12:26 p.m.

ATSF 2-8-8-2 #1797 lends an assistance to an ATSF E6A/E6B combo in Wooten, Colorado in 1944. They have a thirteen car El Capitan in tow, and they're doing just 25 MPH as they grind up rugged Raton Pass. If you're thinking that Santa Fe was never a big proponent of articulated steam locomotives, you're right. If you're thinking that that engine looks more like a Norfolk & Western engine, you're also right. In the later years of WWII, a lot of the western lines ended up unable to handle the influx of traffic and, due to restrictions of locomotive production, a lot of older eastern power went west. So you ended up with stuff like C&O H-7 2-8-8-2s on the Union Pacific, Boston & Main T-3 Berkshires on the Southern Pacific, and, as shown here, eight N&W Y-3 Mallets on the ATSF.

914Driver
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12/6/22 12:39 p.m.

NickD
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12/6/22 12:41 p.m.

ATSF #1790 assisting EMC E3 pair #11 at Raton, NM. The Y3s were built in 1919, and so pretty long in the tooth by the time they went west to ATSF. The Union Pacific also ended up with five Y3s, and the PRR bought 6 of them. All of them were fairly short-lived with their new owners. The Santa Fe's eight arrived in 1943 and only 2 years later they scrapped one (the #1797) and sent the other 7 back east to the N&W competitor, the Virginian Railway, where they lived until 1954-1956. The Union Pacific's five were all scrapped after 2 years of service in Wyoming, and the PRR's 6 served until around 1949.

914Driver
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12/6/22 12:41 p.m.

Santa Monica - 1875.

 

914Driver
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12/6/22 12:42 p.m.

Durand, Michigan.

 

914Driver
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12/6/22 12:44 p.m.

St. Louis.

914Driver
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12/6/22 12:45 p.m.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/6/22 1:04 p.m.

ATSF 2-8-8-2 #1792 and 3700-series 4-8-4 #3767 are hard at work with a 20-car Chief over Raton Pass. Santa Fe used the ex-N&W Y3s for use in helper service, due to their low speed. PRR was also not fond of the low top speed of the Y3s. A quote from an employee was recorded as "They'd pull the whole yard, but we just couldn't keep them out of the way." Unlike the later Y6s, which could manage 50mph, a Y3 was pretty much all in by 30mph.

NickD
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12/6/22 1:45 p.m.

Another pairing of an ex-N&W Mallet and a 3700-series "Heavy Mountain" at Raton.

NickD
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12/6/22 1:47 p.m.

NickD
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12/6/22 1:48 p.m.

NickD
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12/6/22 1:52 p.m.

You can see the big Worthington BL feedwater heater slung under the left running board, looking almost like a cross-compound air pump. The Worthington BL was easy to retrofit, in that it was all one self-contained unit, and it was very efficient, even breaking the PRR's aversion to feedwater heaters, but they weren't without their idiosyncrasies. One of those was that, particularly as they got old and the pump packing wore out, they were prone to losing the cold water prime when the engineer made a throttle change. The fireman would then have to go out on the running board, lie down on his stomach, reach down and open the check valve on the cold water side of the pump until it purged the air and primed again, and then close the valve. All while the locomotive was in motion. Fun.

NickD
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12/6/22 1:54 p.m.

NickD
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12/6/22 1:59 p.m.

NickD
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12/6/22 2:57 p.m.

One of the thirty ex-Chesapeake & Ohio H-7s that the Union Pacific ended up with during WWII. The luster of the H-7s had worn off relatively quick at the C&O, with them being superseded by the T-1 2-10-4s in 1930, when the oldest H-7s were just 6 years old, and after fifteen years in lesser service, they were sold to the Union Pacific and sent to Cheyenne, at which point the T-1s that had replaced the H-7 were also being replaced by the H-8 Alleghenies, making the H-7 obsolete twice over. By this point, the UP had converted all of their compound articulated 2-8-8-0s to single-expansion in an effort to speed up service, so the compound articulated 2-8-8-2s were not what UP really wanted. They were assigned to dragging freight over Sherman Hill and irritated dispatchers to no end by clogging up traffic on the busy mainline due to their slow speed. The H-7s were sent either by themselves, or doubleheaded with other H-7s, since they were too slow to work properly with the Challengers and Big Boys. 

 

NickD
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12/6/22 3:00 p.m.

Two of the ex-C&O engines paired up at Sherman Hill. With the flying airpumps and the horizontal Elesco feedwater heater, the H-7s looked quite out of place on the UP roster. Eleven of the thirty were given a facelift by the UP shops that gave them an appearance more on pair with the early Challengers and rebuilt 2-8-8-0 "Bullmooses". After just two years of service though, UP sent all thirty to the scrapyards. While they had converted their own 2-8-8-0 Mallets into single-expansion, neither the ex-C&O engines or the five ex-N&W Y3s apparently rated such a conversion.

NickD
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12/6/22 3:02 p.m.

NickD
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12/6/22 3:20 p.m.

One of the oddest machines that appeared on the west coast were the Boston & Maine T-1a Berkshires. An early example of the wheel arrangement with 63" drivers and that foolish Lima articulated trailing truck, and visually distinct with the Coffin external feedwater heater, these engines did not impress the B&M much. They had a low factor of adhesion, meaning they were very slippery, and the trailing truck's design wreaked havoc with the firebox mudring sealing and was prone to derailing when reversing. When WWII came along, the B&M was only too happy to send the T-1as packing. Of the 25, seven were sent to ATSF and ten were sent to SP. The SP engines received the customary corrugated pilot and silver smokebox paint of the line, which didn't do them a ton of favors cosmetically, and a later removal of the Coffin feedwater heater and swapping the standard tender with the whaleback tenders off of retired Mallets resulted in a truly grotesque machine.

 

NickD
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12/6/22 3:21 p.m.

NickD
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12/6/22 3:22 p.m.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/7/22 4:35 p.m.

Like, I said on the last page, I purchased a book on the D&H, focusing on the 1968-1991 era, and it contained quite a bit of information that I had never known. Some of that was on the subject of the two Baldwin RF-16s that the D&H purchased in 1973. I had always assumed that their purchase had had to do with President Bruce Sterzing's railfan proclivities, but Sterzing himself said otherwise in his interview for the book. His reason that he gives for the purchase of the two Baldwin RF-16s was that the D&H was short on motive power and short on money, and the RF-16s were available and they were cheap. The Monongahela Railroad had purchased a number of secondhand RF-16s from the NYC and then ran them until they all nearly dropped dead, then sent them off to be scrapped. There were only two, the #1205 and the #1216, that were still operational when they were gotten rid off. The D&H caught wind that the two RF-16s were still operational, and the D&H also had some old rails and cars that needed to be scrapped anyway and traded them even for the two operational RF-16s, at a value of about $6000 each.

Once they were delivered, the D&H needed a livery for them, since the D&H had never purchased any brand-new cab units, let alone Baldwin RF-16s. They had used the ATSF "Warbonnet", with light blue in place of red, on the PA-1s that they had purchased, but ATSF had never owned any Baldwin RF-16s either. A local railfan ended up painting an O-scale RF-16 in the ATSF "Warbonnet", again with blue substituted for red, and presented it to the D&H to show that the livery would work, and so that was what the D&H painted them in. While the Colonie shops did a great job painting the RF-16s, it's pointed out in the book that no mechanical work was performed (Baldwin parts were already rare than hen's teeth, the D&H had never owned any Baldwins and so had no stockpile of parts, and the D&H also didn't have the money to perform a major overhaul) and the two RF-16s were really worn out. The #1205 was noted to have a cracked block that required welding every month or so while it was in service.

The RF-16s were of limited use, since they lacked dynamic braking and the weird Baldwin air throttle made them incompatible with other units, and so they often held down local jobs or were put in helper service over Belden Hill. The book has an account by the railfan that came up with the livery of riding in the cab of them while they were in helper service (his reward for coming up with the paint scheme) and as they were going up the grade, the engineer said "Watch this" and jammed the throttle wide open, sending the ammeter into the red. Not long after, the head end crew radioed back wondering what the hell was going on, because they had slack in the couplers at the front end. The Baldwin RF-16s were shoving the entire train up the grade all by themselves, cementing their renowned lugging power.

Their poor mechanical condition and oddball status meant they never ventured too far from the shops, and they were always held in poor regards by crews and were typically only sent out as a last resort. The dispatcher at Whitehall, where they held down the "Slatepicker" local run throughout most of their career, said that Bruce Sterzing did have a soft spot for the Baldwins and whenever he came to Whitehall would check the dispatch board to make sure they were out and about and being used. Since no one wanted to use them unless they had to, the dispatcher said there were many times where he would see Sterzing approaching the office and would have to hurriedly change the dispatch board to make it look like the Baldwins were in use, when they were really tucked away in the engine house.

When the D&H was on the verge of collapse in 1978, and management was trying to get another loan from the USRA, the USRA basically strongarmed Sterzing off the property by refusing to administer another loan unless he retired. As soon as Sterzing was off the property, the Baldwin's lost their champion and they were immediately put in storage and placed up for sale. By that point, they had fallen into such mechanical disrepair that the D&H actually rated the pair at 1600hp total when dispatching them.

 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/7/22 4:40 p.m.

The Sharks on a railfan excursion. The relatively frequent excursions were used against Sterzing by the USRA when they were trying to get him to resign, basically implying that he ran these frivolous trips and wasn't focusing on fixing what was wrong with the railroad, while demanding more money out of the USRA. The real problem was that the whole plan to prop up the D&H as a competitor to Conrail was thrown together at the eleventh hour when the Chessie-Reading-Erie Lackawanna merger fell through, and that Conrail went out of their way to hamstring and inconvenience the D&H at every turn. But Sterzing was a convenient scapegoat for the USRA.

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
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12/7/22 7:47 p.m.

I noticed the other day that Amtrak has signage up in town, then saw an article that a tentative agreement had been reached between them, CSX, NS & the Mobile port authority to finally return service to the coast. However, they only have 6-months to complete the agreement. This seems a bit presumptive on Amtrak's part, but I hope their confidence proves to be true. 
 

06HHR (Forum Supporter)
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12/7/22 11:10 p.m.

Been seeing Amtrak commercials on TV in my area (N. Florida) thought it was strange since we haven't had passenger rail service since before Katrina hit the gulf coast.  Hope it's a sign it's coming back.

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