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NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/9/24 2:30 p.m.

I have seen shots from the top of the Dayton Loops and had figured they followed the NY&LE right of way and climbed up, but then I remembered that the top was the old Dunkirk Branch ROW, so theoretically I should be able to find the abandoned ROW and walk along that. So I did, finding where it would have crossed James Road, parking and walking in. Did I say walking? I meant wading. There was snow up to my waist and it was an 850ft hike to the top of the loops. I thought I was going to drop dead of either hypothermia or a heart attack before I got there. Decades of deterioration has also eroded the roadbed, making it a bit more of a peak than a plateau, and I was worried about sliding down one side or the other. Can't say it wasn't worth it for the shot though.

 

The next day, NY&LE actually reached out to me about using the second photo as their Facebook profile picture and I gave them permission. I sure regret not trying to parlay it into a cab ride pass though.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/9/24 3:25 p.m.

Arriving back in Gowanda alongside the #636 and the old B&O S-4, #9078

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/9/24 3:47 p.m.

Crossing Thatcher Brook in Gowanda

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/9/24 5:02 p.m.

The final shot of the day, crossing the Jolls Road grade crossing.

CN_4725
CN_4725 New Reader
12/9/24 8:36 p.m.

 

So I decided to Try photographing one of the Local Freight trains that pass through my city in the snow and this was my first time attempting this. How did I do?

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/10/24 9:45 a.m.

In reply to CN_4725 :

I'd say pretty good. Neat old building to left. What was that?

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/10/24 12:08 p.m.

Not really railroad-related, but still pretty cool and related to my trip to the NY&LE. While getting back to I-90, I passed through the town of Perrysburg and there was the huuuuge old building that was fenced off, abandoned and falling into ruin. I didn't stop for photos because I couldn't get any through the fence and it was getting dark and snowy, but my curiosity was peaked. When I stopped for gas and dinner before getting on the interstate I Googled "Perrysburg abandoned" and the autocomplete filled in "hospital". Apparently this building was a tuberculosis sanitorium from 1912 to 1960 as the J. N. Adam Memorial Hospital, and then was an institutional mental facility from 1960 unil it finally closed its doors for good in 1993 and has not been reopened since. Officials have looked into tearing down or refurbishing the remaining structures at the site, but since both options would cost millions of dollars to implement, no one has been willing to pay, and the site continues to deteriorate. 

Particularly fascinating is that allegedly the dome from the Temple of Music from the 1901 Pan-American Expo in Buffalo, NY was installed into one of the buildings. This would be the exact dome that President Mckinley was shot under, if true. It's debated though, since the stained-glass in the dome supposedly doesn't match the artist's rendering of the Temple of Music, although who's to say how accurate the rendering was. What I would find would make the claim more skeptical is that there's an 11 year gap between the end of the Expo and the opening of the hospital. Usually the buildings from World's Fairs and Expos and that sort of stuff were torn down immediately or fell into ruin pretty quickly, and considering the infamy of the location, I could see people wanting that particular building razed quickly.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/10/24 12:42 p.m.

Also, I got off the thruway at Angola, NY to get to Gowanda, and Angola is a town that lives in infamy in railroad history as the site of "The Angola Horror", a horrific train accident that killed 49 people on December 18th, 1867 and ushered in legislation that standardized the gauge width in the US.

In the early years of gauge width was not commonly agreed on. What became standard gauge, 4' 8.5", was common, but anthracite railroads were fond of 6' gauge, the state of Ohio had it's own gauge (4'10"), the South preferred 5' gauge (the ET&WNC was built to 5' broad gauge, then converted to 3' narrow gauge before it ever ran a train!) and there were a bunch of other weird gauges kicking around. Partly, it was viewed as a sign of financial strength if your railroad could not interchange with other railroads, since it meant your railroad was strong enough to go it alone. Some of it was also done by cities to force service disruptions to other cities. Pennsylvania, for example, banned Ohio gauge, forcing the Erie & Northeastern to regauge their line through Erie, PA into standard gauge. That meant that eastbound traffic would have to stop at Erie, change onto standard gauge cars, then change back to Ohio gauge at the NY border. The hope was that to avoid having to be transloaded twice, freight traffic would start using Erie as a Great Lakes port rather then Buffalo.

A number of remedies to avoid travel interruptions were attempted. Chief among them and relevant to this tale were "Compromise cars", which were built with 5" wide wheels, an inch wider than normal, to allow them to travel on standard tracks and on Ohio gauge tracks. The New York Express of the Lake Shore Railway (later a component of the Lake Shore & Michigan Southern, which later still became a component of the New York Central) was traveling on the Buffalo & Erie (a merger of the Erie & North East and Buffalo & State Line and owned by Lake Shore Railways) on the final leg into Buffalo. The consist was four "compromise car" wooden passenger cars, with two pot-bellied stoves for heat in each car and kerosene lamps for lighting. The train had lost time on the journey, and by the time it passed Angola, it was running 2 hours and 45 minutes late, and was trying to make up lost time.

As the train neared the bridge over Big Sister Creek just east of Angola at 3:11, it ran over a crossover and the front axle of the rear car, which was slightly bent, jumped off the track as it hit the frog, derailing the rear car, which then swayed violently from side to side. The brakes were applied, but the train still traveled at considerable speed as it crossed the bridge. The last car uncoupled from the train and plunged down into the icy gorge. The second-to-last car also derailed, but made it to the other side of the gorge before sliding 30 feet down the embankment

Having slid down a 40 foot embankment, the last carriage immediately caught fire. The passengers fell to one end of the car, on top of one stove, with the other stove spilling the burning coal out of it. The fuel from the kerosene lamps and the wooden coach construction fueled the flames. Only two people escaped alive from the carriage, and while some may have been killed from the fall or suffocation, the majority were burned alive. Witnesses spoke of hearing the screams of those trapped inside lasting for five minutes. The accident, dubbed the "Angola Horror", gripped the imagination of the nation. Accounts of the tragedy, accompanied by grisly illustrations, filled the pages of newspapers for weeks and showed the tragedy of those trying to identify their loved ones among the charred remains that were pulled from the wreckage.

In the wake of the accident and the public outcry, many railroad reforms soon followed, including the replacement of loosely secured stoves with safer forms of heating, more effective braking systems and the standardization of track gauges.

CN_4725
CN_4725 New Reader
12/10/24 2:34 p.m.

In reply to NickD :

That would be the old Krug Furniture Company. they still use the building to this day.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/10/24 3:07 p.m.

Another steam engine unfortunately sitting out the Christmas season is CNJ 0-6-0 #113. Reading & Northern, who allows the #113 to be operated and run on their rails, announced today that the #113 will not be running this weekend as planned, on account of mechanical issues. Reading & Northern will still run the Minersville-Schuylkill Haven Christmas trains, but they will be diesel power. It's really unfortunate for the Railway Restoration Project 113 team, since they only get to run the #113 a few times a year. I went down last year, and had a great time watching thatat monster of an 0-6-0 at work, even with the weather being absolutely miserable.

 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/11/24 8:38 a.m.
NickD said:

Not really railroad-related, but still pretty cool and related to my trip to the NY&LE. While getting back to I-90, I passed through the town of Perrysburg and there was the huuuuge old building that was fenced off, abandoned and falling into ruin. I didn't stop for photos because I couldn't get any through the fence and it was getting dark and snowy, but my curiosity was peaked. When I stopped for gas and dinner before getting on the interstate I Googled "Perrysburg abandoned" and the autocomplete filled in "hospital". Apparently this building was a tuberculosis sanitorium from 1912 to 1960 as the J. N. Adam Memorial Hospital, and then was an institutional mental facility from 1960 unil it finally closed its doors for good in 1993 and has not been reopened since. Officials have looked into tearing down or refurbishing the remaining structures at the site, but since both options would cost millions of dollars to implement, no one has been willing to pay, and the site continues to deteriorate. 

Particularly fascinating is that allegedly the dome from the Temple of Music from the 1901 Pan-American Expo in Buffalo, NY was installed into one of the buildings. This would be the exact dome that President Mckinley was shot under, if true. It's debated though, since the stained-glass in the dome supposedly doesn't match the artist's rendering of the Temple of Music, although who's to say how accurate the rendering was. What I would find would make the claim more skeptical is that there's an 11 year gap between the end of the Expo and the opening of the hospital. Usually the buildings from World's Fairs and Expos and that sort of stuff were torn down immediately or fell into ruin pretty quickly, and considering the infamy of the location, I could see people wanting that particular building razed quickly.

Actually, I just remembered, this is tangentially railroad-related, if the bit about the dome is true.

While McKinley had gone to Buffalo for the expo, VP Teddy Roosevelt had gone north to Isle La Motte on Lake Champlain to enjoy a luncheon with the Vermont Fish & Game League. Upon learning that McKinley had been shot, he immediately left and traveled to Buffalo to be near McKinley. After a few days, McKinley's condition stabilized, and a surgery to sew up the bullet holes appeared to be a success. It was thought that Roosevelt's presence in Buffalo would make the public worry about the President's prospects, so he was encouraged to leave, and he headed back to the eastern Adirondacks, to the Tahawus Club near Newcomb, NY. 

Unbeknownst to Roosevelt, McKinley's condition took a sudden turn for the worse, and while Roosevelt was climbing Mount Marcy, a message was sent to the Tahawus Club to alert him of the news. Club guide Harrison Hall was sent to find Roosevelt and give him the message, which he did. Roosevelt then returned to the Tahawus Club where he rested up and prepared to once again travel to Buffalo. Around midnight on September 14th, Roosevelt grew restless from waiting and decided to begin the journey, even against the advice of others at the Club. His destination was North Creek Train Station on the D&H's Adirondack Branch.

Roosevelt set out with a driver in a buckboard wagon and traveled 10 miles to the Tahawus Post Office to change wagons and drivers. Nine miles later, he stopped at Aiden Lair Lodge to again change teams. Aiden Lair proprietor, Mike Cronin, took over the driving duties and accompanied Roosevelt the rest of the way to the train station. The duo made the journey in record time, arriving in North Creek at approximately 4:45 am. It was at the North Creek train station that Roosevelt received word of President McKinley's passing earlier that morning, and the D&H had dispatched a special train to North Creek to collect him. While I can't find any exact routing, they very likely took the D&H down to Albany, and then transferred to the NYC for the run to Buffalo.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
12/11/24 12:31 p.m.

Oregon Rail Heritage Center has announced that they have signed a deal to purchase the East Portland Division of the Oregon Pacific Railroad, with the purchase being finalized on October 2026. Oregon Pacific currently operates two disjointed sections in Oregon; the 4.8 mile East Portland Division from Portland to Milwaukie that was once the Portland Railway, Light and Power Company's interurban freight line, and the 7.5 mile Molalla Branch Division from Canby to Liberal that was once the SP Molalla Branch. Oregon Pacific will retain the Molalla Branch Division, while ORHC will purchase the East Portland Division, which can be broken down into; approximately 3.4 miles of FRA Class 1 track (10mph freight, 15mph passenger) from the UP junction to Spokane Street (where the excursions run), and approximately 1.4 additional miles of FRA Excepted tracks (10mph freight, no passenger allowed) to the OPRR shops and the freight customer. 

This gives the ORHC a bit more control over their own future, since their excursions have been run on Oregon Pacific rails and reliant on the good graces of the OPRR. While there isn't any bad blood there that I've heard of, there's always the concern that the owner might pass away or sell out and whoever buys it is not so receptive to allowing excursions. Also, it sounds like the purchase includes the OPRR shops, which gives ORHC a satellite facility to work on and maintain their equipment, since the Heritage Center itself is pretty crowded. That was part of why Doyle McCormack sold off his Alco PA NKP #190, because they were out of room at the Heritage Center and it was forced to sit outside, where it couldn't really be worked on and was going to deteriorate as well.

Now, they have a lot of work to do to get the Excepted track upgraded. FRA rules prohibit operating live passenger trains over Excepted Track, and really, the whole thing needs to be brought up to Class II standards for any kind of public operation. FRA track classes are safety limits, not a maintenance standard. If you maintain your track so it just barely meets Class 1, you are in danger of being just one broken bolt or one defective crosstie away from dropping down into Excepted Track status, at which point your passenger operations are shut down until you fix the problem. Alternatively, if your track meets Class 2, you have a substantial cushion against falling into Excepted Track status. If achieving Class 2 is deemed too pricey, you need to be both very particular about tie conditions and other 49 CFR 213 parameters and extremely diligent about track inspection and maintenance. Not to mention also being prepared to be shut down by the FRA inspector at a inconvenient time. Such as the day before your Santa Express trains are scheduled to run.Preventative maintenance is less costly than cleaning up a derailment and performing corrective maintenance under emergency conditions. Since not many museums have more than two or three volunteers who actually like working on track, whenever money is available for track rehabilitation, it behooves you to rehabilitate to a higher standard than you need for the intended operation.

I will say that I don't think this necessarily means we'll be seeing SP #4449 and SP&S #700 running excursions in Portland any time too soon. Oregon Pacific had asked that ORHC not use the #4449 and #700 on those rails anymore because they were too big and heavy and had too long of a wheelbase for what is in reality an old, lightly-railed interurban line. Those engines beat the hell out of the ties, rails and roadbed, even at the low speeds that they were running at. Also, firing up a big 4-8-4 just to run 3-5 miles at 5-10mph doesn't make any economic sense. ORHF has a Mount Emily Lumber 3-truck Shay that they've been using to haul the Christmas trains the past year or so, and is close to getting their Oregon River & Navigation 4-6-2 up and running for that service as well.

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
12/11/24 3:13 p.m.

I just watched a program on the Smithsonian Channel called Combat Trains, about how Lincoln decided trains could be the ticket to winning the Civil War.

1st season, "The First Railroad War" is pretty good.

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