How about you take responsibility for your kids actions?

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17780064

Long story short.

8 year old kid has gets pepper sprayed at school because he is violent. 3rd time the cops are called to school on this kid. Parent blames cops for pepper spraying kid. Parent says he has problems but at home he is a normal kid so she dosen't know what the problem is.. (from today show interview)...

Kid said during interview: "I wanted to make something sharp for like if they came out because I was so mad at them"

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My wife once had an 8 year old freak out so bad, when she was teaching.. They had to lock the kid in an office and call the cops and EMS to calm him down. Depends on the state law, but teachers are not trained to restrain and control violent kids. They are taught to call the administrators who will then evaluate and call the cops. It looks like the teachers in the above situation did their job appropriately.

Looks like the kids mother is looking for a payout..

UR DOING IT WRONGZ

Not going to bother reading the article, but grown men, police officers, couldn't restraing an 8 year old without resorting to pepper spray?

I'm sure the bad guys are quivering in their little space boots.

EDIT: curiousity got the best of me.........I know I'm not a teacher or anything, but I can't help but laugh hysterically at the thought of teachers BARRICADING themselves in a room because of an 8 year old.

Maybe if teachers were allowed to smack the ever-loving-bejeezus out of kids like that, they wouldn't become a problem.

Restraining an 8 year old? No problem. Restraining an 8 year old within the regulations and guidelines that teachers have to operate? Much tougher.

Sounds like the little E36 M3 needs a solid beat down. Too bad nobody willing is able, and nobody able is willing.

I will beat down an 8 year old...for 50 bucks.

Cops are taught not to touch/restrain folks until they are generally under control and calmed down. If they are not, they are to use non leathal means to get them under control... Tazer and Pepperspray..

My cousin is a cop in Jersey and a nationally ranked MMA fighter. He never uses the MMA stuff at work unless it is a life or death situation. It is spray them, get them to the ground and cuff them. You don't want anything to be construed as excessive violence.

z31maniac wrote: EDIT: curiousity got the best of me.........I know I'm not a teacher or anything, but I can't help but laugh hysterically at the thought of teachers BARRICADING themselves in a room because of an 8 year old.

You lay hands on that kid and you are about 30 seconds away from losing your teaching license and being sued into the stone age. Like I said, my wife had to lock a kid in an office and call the cops to restrain the kid. The cops who came didn't want to touch him, due to liability and called EMS because they thought he was mentally disturbed. Meanwhile, the kid wrecked 3 computers in the office.

Point of story.. Parents.. Do your job... Be involved in your kids lives.

z31maniac wrote: Not going to bother reading the article, but grown men, police officers, couldn't restraing an 8 year old without resorting to pepper spray? I'm sure the bad guys are quivering in their little space boots. EDIT: curiousity got the best of me.........I know I'm not a teacher or anything, but I can't help but laugh hysterically at the thought of teachers BARRICADING themselves in a room because of an 8 year old. Maybe if teachers were allowed to smack the ever-loving-bejeezus out of kids like that, they wouldn't become a problem.

Have you been living under a rock, the scumbags have all the rights so the cops aren't able to touch them, hence why they have pepper spray.

That's what the do-gooders have put in place to restrain the police officers' obvious violent intentions.

Their theory is that all cops are violent and corrupt

Corporal punishment is legal in some states.. http://school.familyeducation.com/classroom-discipline/resource/38377.html

Though.. There is a huge difference between punishment and restraint etc..

I can guarantee you that a teacher that laid hands on my kid would be toast.. A whole loaf of toast..

huge-O-chavez wrote:

z31maniac wrote: EDIT: curiousity got the best of me.........I know I'm not a teacher or anything, but I can't help but laugh hysterically at the thought of teachers BARRICADING themselves in a room because of an 8 year old.

You lay hands on that kid and you are about 30 seconds away from losing your teaching license and being sued into the stone age. Like I said, my wife had to lock a kid in an office and call the cops to restrain the kid. The cops who came didn't want to touch him, due to liability and called EMS because they thought he was mentally disturbed. Meanwhile, the kid wrecked 3 computers in the office. Point of story.. Parents.. Do your job... Be involved in your kids lives.

For once, I'm happy to agree with our resident poster child, and on all points he made in this thread. :tup:

Saw that as well. It seems the kid has done this kind of thing before. But- this time, he had a sharp piece of wall trim he was trying to stab one of the cops with and he wouldn't drop it. If I was the cop, I'd have pepperized him as well.

In the Comcast story from the AP, he concludes 'I sorta deserved it'.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20110406/US.Child.Pepper.Sprayed/

huge-O, when I was a kid if I screwed around in school the teacher could send me to the principal's office where it was quite possible to get a spanking. The worst part of that: my 'rents would get a phone call meaning another one was waiting at home. That's what is missing in today's schools.

It definitely comes from the homes; I know a guy here in town whose 15 y/o son fell in with a rough crowd. At one point, the kid facilitated the theft of the dad's car. When the truth came out, the kid's mom told the dad 'if you touch him I'll call DSS and the cops on you'. And she wonders why they are divorced now, sticking her with a hellion kid. Looks like she is reaping what she sowed.

Local controversy, cops tazed a 13 year old who was aggressive, waving his arms, wouldn't follow instructions. I haven's heard from the parents but others have put their $.02

Cops didn't pepper spray because of the crowd; cop admin and politicians are behind the cops 100%.

You'll be reading about this kid and the above 8 year old in the paper some day.

Dan

Datsun1500 wrote:

huge-O-chavez wrote: I can guarantee you that a teacher that laid hands on my kid would be toast.. A whole loaf of toast..

Which is why we have kids like the one that started this thread.... The teachers are not allowed to deal with problem kids.... Not saying yours is an issue, just that the attitude that they are not allowed to control the kids by any means necessary is why stuff like this happens

respectfully disagree. It is not a teachers place to discipline a child. It is the parents. It is a teachers place to teach a child how to read, write, and be intellectually curious(also the parents responsibility).

The boy's mother, Mandy, told 9News that police treated her son like a common criminal.

And she thought that was inappropriate why?

huge-O-chavez wrote:

Datsun1500 wrote:

huge-O-chavez wrote: I can guarantee you that a teacher that laid hands on my kid would be toast.. A whole loaf of toast..

Which is why we have kids like the one that started this thread.... The teachers are not allowed to deal with problem kids.... Not saying yours is an issue, just that the attitude that they are not allowed to control the kids by any means necessary is why stuff like this happens

respectfully disagree. It is not a teachers place to discipline a child. It is the parents. It is a teachers place to teach a child how to read, write, and be intellectually curious(also the parents responsibility).

The principal used to smack me around every which way when I was a kid. It accomplished nothing. Well, I suspect it made me a little more angry and violent. And I much preferred a 30 second whipping. It allowed me to get back to my misdeeds pretty quickly without having to worry about detention or anything.

Ah yes, corporal punishment... I remember the vice principal at Ridgewood Junior High School lose his cool because after paddling a 12 year old Mofo he asked if I had learned my lesson and I responded "There was a lesson?"

We are now Facebook friends and he still remembers the day he got the worst end of a paddling.

I have an 8yr old. I could probably take 30-40 of them in a fight without weapons. That cop is a total Bob Costas.

Tazers are not non-lethal force, as people die from Tazer use quite often.

Yep, had a teacher clap both his hands over my ears very quickly and with effort, rattled me good.

DAN YEL, I'll be seeing you in Detention this week?

WTF, I can't hear.

huge-O-chavez wrote:

Datsun1500 wrote:

huge-O-chavez wrote: I can guarantee you that a teacher that laid hands on my kid would be toast.. A whole loaf of toast..

Which is why we have kids like the one that started this thread.... The teachers are not allowed to deal with problem kids.... Not saying yours is an issue, just that the attitude that they are not allowed to control the kids by any means necessary is why stuff like this happens

respectfully disagree. It is not a teachers place to discipline a child. It is the parents. It is a teachers place to teach a child how to read, write, and be intellectually curious(also the parents responsibility).

And when your kid is being enough of a E36 M3 at school that he needs hands laid on him (to restrain him if nothing else) then what? Oh noes! Not my precious snowflake! Oh, but I'm sure your kid would never be like that (just like what almost every parent of problem kids said when I was working in a school).

Curmudgeon wrote: It definitely comes from the homes;

It sure does. And those homes/parents are ruining not only their own kids, but the school system as a whole.

http://www.ydr.com/ci_11756300

"By examining these reports, the doctors determined that, in 1,201 uses, 99.75 percent of those shocked suffered no injury or mild injuries."

How many would have had serious injuries if the Tazor were removed and the police had to resort to a firearm instead.

Otto Maddox wrote: The principal used to smack me around every which way when I was a kid. It accomplished nothing. Well, I suspect it made me a little more angry and violent. And I much preferred a 30 second whipping. It allowed me to get back to my misdeeds pretty quickly without having to worry about detention or anything.

We had a civics teacher around 10th grade that used to take us out in the hall and smack us around for things like talking or giggling. One day he took my friend Paul out for pretending his pencil was a penis and thrusting toward a girl named Caroline. Neither of them returned to the room. The principal came in and told us to sit quietly.

Paul was arrested, charged with assault (later dropped) and expelled. Mr R had his jaw wired shut for a long time and I graduated before he returned to work. He was a petty tyrant that got what he deserved.

The trouble with corporal punishment is that you open the door for idiots like like Mr R and a cops who would pepper spray a child because they cannot control themselves appropriately, nevermind a room full of children.

Brett_Murphy wrote: Tazers are not non-lethal force, as people die from Tazer use quite often.

It beats the previous "non-lethal" option, which was to pummel the suspect over the head with a heavy stick.

A better article: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/04/06/2011-04-06_cops_defend_use_of_pepper_spray_on_8yearold_during_tantrum_boy_threatened_to_sta.html?r=news/national

Quoth the kid: "I wanted to make something sharp if they came out because I was so mad at them,"

Kid was armed with a weapon. I say good job police.

As for treating the kid like a common criminal, it sounds like he is already on the way to being just that.

pinchvalve wrote: I will beat down an 8 year old...for 50 bucks.

Wait, is that you charging $50 or paying $50?

This all reminds me of something that happened fairly recently as I was driving home with the wife and kid in the car. I'm about two blocks from home, and coming to a stop sign (which means, like any law-abiding citizen, I've got my foot on the brake pedal and am actively decelerating). There are some people on the side of the road with some younger kids, so all the more reason to be brake happy. All of sudden I hear this big guy yell at me to, "Slow the BERKELEY DOWN!".

You know what, shiny happy person? How about you teach your kids to not, I dunno, play in the berkleying street instead of yelling at random vehicles passing by?

Regarding the story above, sounds like the kid deserved it. Maybe he'll learn a lesson about not waving sharp things at guys with guns and badges. I'm guessing he won't generalize to anywhere else, though.