Tipper Gore, is that you?
Tipper Gore, is that you?
From the Ben Stiller Show, circa 1990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPSOGk7_zao
In reply to JG Pasterjak:
Holy crap... was that Janeane Gorofalo dressed as Tabitha Soren? Sweet jebus I'm gettin' old.
Free Tiny Doo?
Tim Baxter wrote: > if there are lyrics that describe intimate details that could show said rapper was present, then more power to them while they figure out wtf he knows. No, that's not how it works. IF there is *evidence* that he was present, they're welcome to charge him and THEN figure out what he knows. But you don't get to assume someone is guilty -- or was even present -- based on what they talk about.
I agree with that, I didn't point it out, but I was attempting to point out that there is probably something we don't know yet.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Janeane Gorofalo dressed as Tabitha Soren?
....You have my attention.
I guess if he is convicted his cell mate won't have to worry...Tiny Doo 
Err, I'm failing to see the issue here. Reading the piece it said that a)his lyrics were evidence of his gang activity "direct correlation to what the gang has been doing” and b) that they have other evidence of profiting from gang activity "Prosecutors say lyrics aren't the only evidence they have. At Duncan's preliminary hearing, they presented social media posts that they say prove Duncan is still a gang member."
Can someone tell me how either of those are impinging on his right to free speech? In #1 they're not saying he can't say whatever he’s said. They are saying that what he has said is corroborating evidence. Sounds really weak to me, but not preventing or censoring him. I could walk out into the middle of time square and shout through a megaphone "I raped and beat my wife to death" And I'm sure at the very least the cops would have a nice chat with me and check on my wife's health. If for some reason she was missing, I'm pretty sure I'd be spending at least a couple of nights in prison until she turned up, and if she didn't I'd probably end up in there for the next 20 years. If that were the case they wouldn’t have told me I can’t say that, instead they would use it against me, and if she were dead rightly so. I'm sure their case rests on the other evidence more than lyrics, I hope so or it’s just stupid. If/When he's exonerated, or if found guilty after he's served his sentence, then he can go back to making more vile noise, in the meantime I don't see any talk of banning his music or preventing sales of his existing work that they are citing.
Tell me again how they are limiting his free speech, let alone his preposterous claim that they are trying to eradicate black men?
The thought that the constitution and bill of rights are dead is just as preposterous as claiming they are limiting his free speech.
In reply to Adrian_Thompson:
The article says:
- no criminal record
- no direct evidence he was involved in any crime
- prosecutors are using a law that says you cannot profit from gang activity as a loophole to keep him in prison by attempting to correlate his rap lyrics to actual deeds based on the idea that he may have been in a gang.
If you don't have enough real hard evidence to prosecute someone conventionally, stop. When you make up new rules based on inference from stories or song lyrics written by a known entertainer and then bend them around what are supposed to be immutable cornerstones of our government to "get" one bad guy you corrupt the whole system. A corrupted system that can ignore the BoR and get away with it is a slippery slope.
How many conviction examples would artists, authors and people of the "free press" need to see before they began censoring themselves out of fear?
It is most definitely a free speech 1st amendment issue even if he is guilty of the crimes.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: In reply to Adrian_Thompson: The article says: - no criminal record - no direct evidence he was involved in any crime - prosecutors are using a law that says you cannot profit from gang activity as a loophole to keep him in prison by attempting to correlate his rap lyrics to actual deeds based on the idea that he may have been in a gang. If you don't have enough real hard evidence to prosecute someone conventionally, stop. When you make up new rules based on inference from stories or song lyrics written by a known entertainer and then bend them around what are supposed to be immutable cornerstones of our government to "get" one bad guy you corrupt the whole system. A corrupted system that can ignore the BoR and get away with it is a slippery slope to lawlessness. How many conviction examples would artists, authors and people of the "free press" need to see before they began censoring themselves out of fear? It is most definitely a free speech 1st amendment issue even if he is guilty of the crimes.
If there is no evidence then there is no chance he will get convicted. Let's hope this is the end of some over eager bureaucrats career. Show me where they are censoring him? Have they taken his work of the market?
In reply to Adrian_Thompson:
If everytime you wrote a story about a crime (real or imagined) someone tried to jail you for 25 to life do you think you might check yourself up? Do you think anyone would freely express themselves in that kind of landscape?
Remember - no one is accusing him of taking part in the crime... only that his lyrics describe crimes similar to what happened in a convincing way. Even if he is guilty of the code violation because he belongs to the gang... the code violation places itself in violation of the BoR by being applied here.
The whole first amendment is about not having to self-censor for fear of prosecution.
It's not every time, it's this one time. It'll fail and he'll end up with a E36 M3 load of free publicity and go on to sell millions more vile track/records/CD/downloads. If it happened every time he sold a record or issued a new album, then yes you have a case, but a one time poorly thought out charge isn't censorship.
Back from the dead!
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/san-diego-judge-drops-charge-against-rap-singer-in-gang-case/ar-AA9Sau5?ocid=mailsignout
Can I say I told you so?
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