Duke said:
I remember reading where Bob Lutz explained what happened to Pontiac and how hard he fought to keep it alive. He said shortly before bankruptcy, GM had made the decision to make Pontiac basically GM's BMW equivalent and the G8 was the start of a rebuilding of the brand. Then the recession and bankruptcy happened and the government stepped in, and Saturn and Hummer were already on the chopping block but the feds wanted at least one more brand culled. So they went down the list and he said Chevrolet was obviously never in consideration to be eliminated. GMC, he said they had data that showed that GMC attracted a different demographic who might not transition over to Chevrolet. Buick was doing poorly in the US but going great guns in China and they were afraid that the Chinese might not make the jump to another brand if they cut Buick and rebadged the Chinese market stuff as a Chevy or Buick. Cadillac was coming off the introduction of the Art & Science styling and had the CTS-V and STS-V and XLR, and the Escalade basically printed money, and it had a pretty solid chunk of the 50+ demographic. They got to Pontiac and he said "It's not doing so hot now, but we have big plans to reinvent it." And the government went "It's doing poorly now? It's gotta go then." And he said he was like "Yeah, but we have plans to really turn it around." And the government's response was "We don't care what you have planned for it in the future. It's doing poorly now. Kill Pontiac or we don't bail you out."
In reply to NickD :
With all of the issues around naming commercial enterprises after Native American/Indigenous people that have gotten more prevalent nowadays versus back when Pontiac was shut down, it now seems like it was unintentionally a really good idea.
Edit: obligatory meme
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:
Different song...
I'm truly going to sing this the next time one of these shows up in my office.
What the heck is that? Looks like a cat in a Hoover canister vacuum.
1988RedT2 said:Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:
Different song...
I'm truly going to sing this the next time one of these shows up in my office.
What the heck is that? Looks like a cat in a Hoover canister vacuum.
Backpack style pet carrier. Has the transparent bubble so they can see out.
eastsideTim said:1988RedT2 said:Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:
Different song...
I'm truly going to sing this the next time one of these shows up in my office.
What the heck is that? Looks like a cat in a Hoover canister vacuum.
Backpack style pet carrier. Has the transparent bubble so they can see out.
Pet carrier?? My Malamute could almost wear that around his neck as an ID tag.
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:eastsideTim said:1988RedT2 said:Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:
Different song...
I'm truly going to sing this the next time one of these shows up in my office.
What the heck is that? Looks like a cat in a Hoover canister vacuum.
Backpack style pet carrier. Has the transparent bubble so they can see out.
Pet carrier?? My Malamute could almost wear that around his neck as an ID tag.
eastsideTim said:In reply to NickD :
With all of the issues around naming commercial enterprises after Native American/Indigenous people that have gotten more prevalent nowadays versus back when Pontiac was shut down, it now seems like it was unintentionally a really good idea.
Edit: obligatory meme
What, it is named after the city in Michigan, right?
(meanwhile, half the cities/rivers/lakes/wildlife in the area got their names that way)
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:
As someone who is sympathetic to the plight of accordion players in today's society, I find this meme extremely offensive. It denigrates accordion players all over the world by making it seem that playing the instrument is as simple as opening and closing the bellows, completely ignoring the fact that they have a keyboard.
It's high time that accordion players banded together and busted some heads.
In reply to Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos) :
Dude owned the floor of congress harder than anyone else since Fred Rogers.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:eastsideTim said:In reply to NickD :
With all of the issues around naming commercial enterprises after Native American/Indigenous people that have gotten more prevalent nowadays versus back when Pontiac was shut down, it now seems like it was unintentionally a really good idea.
Edit: obligatory meme
What, it is named after the city in Michigan, right?
(meanwhile, half the cities/rivers/lakes/wildlife in the area got their names that way)
Several years ago I read a news article about how the NCAA was going to have a meeting about possibly doing away with any native American themed team names. They were holding the meeting at their headquarters in Indianapolis Indiana.
1988RedT2 said:As someone who is sympathetic to the plight of accordion players in today's society, I find this meme extremely offensive. It denigrates accordion players all over the world by making it seem that playing the instrument is as simple as opening and closing the bellows, completely ignoring the fact that they have a keyboard.
It's high time that accordion players banded together and busted some heads.
For an album cover, this is a pretty good meme. Or vice versa.
Something tells me it's going to be conjunto all day today.
Beer Baron said:In reply to Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos) :
Dude owned the floor of congress harder than anyone else since Fred Rogers.
The part that I liked is that everyone else at the hearing were suit/tie. Mr. Snider shows up in basically his stage apparel, because that is HIS business suit.
NickD said:Duke said:I remember reading where Bob Lutz explained what happened to Pontiac and how hard he fought to keep it alive. He said shortly before bankruptcy, GM had made the decision to make Pontiac basically GM's BMW equivalent and the G8 was the start of a rebuilding of the brand. Then the recession and bankruptcy happened and the government stepped in, and Saturn and Hummer were already on the chopping block but the feds wanted at least one more brand culled. So they went down the list and he said Chevrolet was obviously never in consideration to be eliminated. GMC, he said they had data that showed that GMC attracted a different demographic who might not transition over to Chevrolet. Buick was doing poorly in the US but going great guns in China and they were afraid that the Chinese might not make the jump to another brand if they cut Buick and rebadged the Chinese market stuff as a Chevy or Buick. Cadillac was coming off the introduction of the Art & Science styling and had the CTS-V and STS-V and XLR, and the Escalade basically printed money, and it had a pretty solid chunk of the 50+ demographic. They got to Pontiac and he said "It's not doing so hot now, but we have big plans to reinvent it." And the government went "It's doing poorly now? It's gotta go then." And he said he was like "Yeah, but we have plans to really turn it around." And the government's response was "We don't care what you have planned for it in the future. It's doing poorly now. Kill Pontiac or we don't bail you out."
Pontiac was doomed as soon as plastic body cladding became passe ;)
Nothing stopping GM from resurrecting it now, assuming they can actually separate it from Chevrolet in some sort of meaningful way. If Hummer can come back to life, so can Pontiac. But GM will probably bring back Geo first...
In reply to Keith Tanner :
GM killed Saturn by turning it into Geo West, building cheapenated Euro market cars.
NickD said:Duke said:I remember reading where Bob Lutz explained what happened to Pontiac and how hard he fought to keep it alive. He said shortly before bankruptcy, GM had made the decision to make Pontiac basically GM's BMW equivalent and the G8 was the start of a rebuilding of the brand. Then the recession and bankruptcy happened and the government stepped in, and Saturn and Hummer were already on the chopping block but the feds wanted at least one more brand culled. So they went down the list and he said Chevrolet was obviously never in consideration to be eliminated. GMC, he said they had data that showed that GMC attracted a different demographic who might not transition over to Chevrolet. Buick was doing poorly in the US but going great guns in China and they were afraid that the Chinese might not make the jump to another brand if they cut Buick and rebadged the Chinese market stuff as a Chevy or Buick. Cadillac was coming off the introduction of the Art & Science styling and had the CTS-V and STS-V and XLR, and the Escalade basically printed money, and it had a pretty solid chunk of the 50+ demographic. They got to Pontiac and he said "It's not doing so hot now, but we have big plans to reinvent it." And the government went "It's doing poorly now? It's gotta go then." And he said he was like "Yeah, but we have plans to really turn it around." And the government's response was "We don't care what you have planned for it in the future. It's doing poorly now. Kill Pontiac or we don't bail you out."
The other thing that saved GMC was that in order to keep some of these Buick and Cadillac dealers in business in the future they were going to have to sell trucks, especially after losing Pontiac and getting rid of the small dealers that had under 20 new cars in stock. And if you made them all Chevy dealers so that they could sell trucks there would be too many.
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