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JamesMcD
JamesMcD Dork
12/20/15 12:20 p.m.

Some 80s Nissans and Toyotas feature a button near the ignition cylinder which must be depressed in order to remove the key. I can not fathom what purpose this serves, except to irritate me. What the heck is this for?

Jumper K. Balls
Jumper K. Balls UberDork
12/20/15 12:23 p.m.

I have no idea why but I find the mechanism is usually worn out so you can remove the key without pressing the button and turning it all the way off which leaves key on power to a few things resulting in a dead battery on our little shop Nissan 4 times a month.

To be fair it is usually done by our cleanup guy who is almost deaf so he can't hear the door chime when he does this.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
12/20/15 12:36 p.m.

Avoid the GM ignition key debacle??

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/20/15 12:57 p.m.

Just about every manual transmission car I've driven has the same thing. The Supercoupe has it. It keeps you from accidentally locking the steering wheel while driving. Automatic transmissions did the same thing through the shifter linkage.

Grtechguy
Grtechguy MegaDork
12/20/15 1:13 p.m.

80's fords where the same way. I know my 86 Mustang has that.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
12/20/15 1:43 p.m.

My '80 Toyota had it. My '03 BMW does not. I can't remember if my '95 Plymouth did or not, but I think it did.

JamesMcD
JamesMcD Dork
12/20/15 1:46 p.m.

My 80s Mazdas do not have it, but my '85 MR2 does. Hence the question.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 PowerDork
12/20/15 1:52 p.m.

I can (easily) pull the ignition key out of the cylinder of the '88 RX-7 while the car is running. Not sure if that's a bug or a feature.

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 MegaDork
12/20/15 1:53 p.m.

Good question. I always figured it was some sort of requirement to meet regulation.

DrBoost
DrBoost UltimaDork
12/20/15 2:17 p.m.

My Omni GLHs had that feature as well. Jeeps had a lever you'd push down as well.

Brian
Brian MegaDork
12/20/15 2:22 p.m.

I have had that in the past. I never really thought about it.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy PowerDork
12/20/15 2:24 p.m.

Its a mechanism to engage the steering lock without putting extra stress on the ignition key. My 2K Silverado has one.

I hate it.

New vehicles, which have fully electronic ignition switched instead of electric ones, often don't have a steering lock. I presume the engineers don't trust the electrons to do what they are supposed to do all the time.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill PowerDork
12/20/15 2:27 p.m.

My 86 Nissan truck has one. It's second nature now and I actually to think if I had one.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
12/20/15 3:34 p.m.
Streetwiseguy wrote: Its a mechanism to engage the steering lock without putting extra stress on the ignition key.

Not necessarily, because (thinking back) on my 2 '95 Neon sedans (both made in Rockford within a month of each other), the ATX car did not have one, but the MTX did.

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic UltimaDork
12/20/15 4:00 p.m.

I think there's some regulation about it, presumably makes you think twice before pulling the key out of a stick car and walking away without setting the parking brake and/or putting it in gear. It must not have been a requirement in 88, on my Yugo you could turn it right off and yank it out, though it didn't lock until the key was withdrawn, so maybe Yugo got by that way.

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/20/15 4:12 p.m.

Same feature as many Toyotas and others have where you have to push the key inward a bit to turn it all the way off.

I think the comment about preventing accidental steering wheel lock is spot on.

BoostedBrandon
BoostedBrandon Dork
12/20/15 5:06 p.m.

My sentra doesn't have a button, the mechanism is in the cylinder and I push the key into the column as I turn it off. Much less clunky than a button, also a cleaner looking column too.

wbjones
wbjones MegaDork
12/20/15 5:55 p.m.

I've owned '40's, '50's, '60's, '70's, '90's, and '00's, and now a '14 ... I've never had to push a button to remove a key

JamesMcD
JamesMcD Dork
12/20/15 6:07 p.m.
wbjones wrote: I've owned '40's, '50's, '60's, '70's, '90's, and '00's, and now a '14 ... I've never had to push a button to remove a key

You've lucked out.

DrBoost
DrBoost UltimaDork
12/20/15 6:13 p.m.

Our 2011 Honda Odity doesn't have one, but you have to push the key in past a detent to remove the key.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy PowerDork
12/20/15 6:36 p.m.
Duke wrote:
Streetwiseguy wrote: Its a mechanism to engage the steering lock without putting extra stress on the ignition key.
Not necessarily, because (thinking back) on my 2 '95 Neon sedans (both made in Rockford within a month of each other), the ATX car did not have one, but the MTX did.

On most automatic cars, there is an interlock cable running between the ignition lock and the shifter. Key off, no shift. No park, no get key off.

dropstep
dropstep HalfDork
12/20/15 7:58 p.m.

My foxbody mustangs have all had it, even the AT cars. Never bothered me anough to figure out why.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/20/15 8:02 p.m.
Streetwiseguy wrote: New vehicles, which have fully electronic ignition switched instead of electric ones, often don't have a steering lock. I presume the engineers don't trust the electrons to do what they are supposed to do all the time.

I've noticed that on the new Miatas. I don't think it's a matter of lack of trust in electrics - there have been remote ignition switches in various cars for years. My theory is that it was an anti-theft feature that is redundant with modern electronic keys.

Gearheadotaku
Gearheadotaku GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
12/20/15 8:14 p.m.

most of the GM manuals I've owned have had a lever or something

wbjones
wbjones MegaDork
12/20/15 9:27 p.m.
JamesMcD wrote:
wbjones wrote: I've owned '40's, '50's, '60's, '70's, '90's, and '00's, and now a '14 ... I've never had to push a button to remove a key
You've lucked out.

actually I can't even think of one that has a button to push to remove the key ... I've had some that you had to push the key in to make the final click to be able to remove it .... but, like I said, don't remember even seeing one that had a button

oh, and my '14 is a GM ... no button

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