I noticed that the press uses "same sex" and "gay" marriage interchangeably, but it struck me that there is a big difference. Gay marriage seems to indicate a requirement that the couple is in love, while same sex only requires that they are the same sex. And it would be weird to legally require people to be in love, right?
But the same requirement does seem to apply to different-sex couples. If you marry someone from another country, you have to prove that it is not a marriage of convenience just to get a green card. (or so I believe, I am no lawyer)
The only precedent that I have for same-sex marriage of convenience is the movie Chuck and Larry, and I try not to get legal information from Adam Sandler. Not a topic for discussion really, more of a "things that make you go hmmmmmm".
pinchvalve wrote:
The only precedent that I have for same-sex marriage of convenience is the movie Chuck and Larry, and I try not to get legal information from Adam Sandler. Not a topic for discussion really, more of a "things that make you go hmmmmmm".
Actually two Canadian guys did this before that movie as a form of protest over this very topic.
Where are you getting this same sex / gay marriage distinction? I am pretty sure, legally, there is no difference.
Chuck and Larry, btw, was originally written as rather serious exploration of what is gay marriage aspect surrounding it etc (maybe based on the Canadians noted above). Sandler got his hands on it though and... well... you know.
yamaha
UltimaDork
7/18/14 1:14 p.m.
One in the same, and makes no difference IMHO.
yamaha wrote:
One in the same, and makes no difference IMHO.
+1 two words for the same thing.
Semantics.
I'd say "gay" often has male connotations. I don't think it implies any more romantic basis.
From a legal standpoint, I don't get why the word marriage is used at all.
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
From a legal standpoint, I don't get why the word marriage is used at all.
I'm pretty sure "marriage" is the legal term for a...marriage.
z31maniac wrote:
Pedantry.
Is that what they call it now?
pinchvalve wrote:
But the same requirement does seem to apply to different-sex couples. If you marry someone from another country, you have to prove that it is not a marriage of convenience just to get a green card. (or so I believe, I am no lawyer)
This is true. You have to prove the validity of your marriage. Which is, I must say, a fairly creepy thing to have to do in an anonymous government office. Shared financials are a big part of it, but what really seems to make them happy is pictures of you basically acting like a couple. No, not like that you bunch of perverts. Going on trips, dating, etc. Especially if they pre-date the marriage.
Proof of actual sexual attraction or consummation is thankfully, not required.
friend of mine went through that to get his green card. Even though he went through hell with INS.. they could not dispute that they had been married in Germany for over 10 years and had two kids together.
Personally I would like to know how many marriages are really just for the sake of convenience.. gay, straight, or from across a country's borders
Beer Baron wrote:
Semantics.
I'd say "gay" often has male connotations. I don't think it implies any more romantic basis.
the letters "LGBT" used together like that are proof that even the gays can't decide that they are all just "gay".. i think there are a couple more letters that they've added recently to cover more factions of the gay spectrum, but i don't care enough to look up what those letters are and what they stand for..
...and someone will call me hateful and ignorant in 3.. 2.. 1..
In reply to novaderrik:
YOU MONSTER
marriage shouldn't be defined by orientation gays and lesbians should have as much right to be miserable as straight people
Same sex marriage denotes a marriage where intercourse is engaged in one position only.
GameboyRMH wrote:
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
From a legal standpoint, I don't get why the word marriage is used at all.
I'm pretty sure "marriage" is the legal term for a...marriage.
Yeah, but that seems to piss off the bible thumpin folks, so if "marriage" is such a religious term, what's it doing in government? Should just be civil unions for all IMHO. Separation of church and state and all that.
novaderrik wrote:
Beer Baron wrote:
Semantics.
I'd say "gay" often has male connotations. I don't think it implies any more romantic basis.
the letters "LGBT" used together like that are proof that even the gays can't decide that they are all just "gay".. i think there are a couple more letters that they've added recently to cover more factions of the gay spectrum, but i don't care enough to look up what those letters are and what they stand for..
...and someone will call me hateful and ignorant in 3.. 2.. 1..
You're not wrong, though. There's a lot of in-fighting going on in the LGBTQAPA (that's all I can remember) community which I feel hinders the overall message of equality for all.
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
GameboyRMH wrote:
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
From a legal standpoint, I don't get why the word marriage is used at all.
I'm pretty sure "marriage" is the legal term for a...marriage.
Yeah, but that seems to piss off the bible thumpin folks, so if "marriage" is such a religious term, what's it doing in government? Separation of church and state and all that.
The very same folks who do not heed the bible's message about divorce, or wearing clothes made from two or more different fabrics? We pay them no heed.
yamaha
UltimaDork
7/18/14 2:35 p.m.
In reply to Kenny_McCormic:
I was blasted on here awhile back for the world's easiest plan of "Get rid of marriage in the sense of a legal term, and call all of them civil unions" That way it wouldn't matter who you married and the religious organizations wouldn't have to worry about being sued by asshats for descrimination.
Chris_V
UltraDork
7/18/14 2:40 p.m.
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
GameboyRMH wrote:
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
From a legal standpoint, I don't get why the word marriage is used at all.
I'm pretty sure "marriage" is the legal term for a...marriage.
Yeah, but that seems to piss off the bible thumpin folks, so if "marriage" is such a religious term, what's it doing in government? Should just be civil unions for all IMHO. Separation of church and state and all that.
Youre thinking of the term Holy Matrimony, which is the religious version. Marriage is simply the union of two or more things. Like the marriage of peanut butter and chocolate.
Chris_V wrote:
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
GameboyRMH wrote:
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
From a legal standpoint, I don't get why the word marriage is used at all.
I'm pretty sure "marriage" is the legal term for a...marriage.
Yeah, but that seems to piss off the bible thumpin folks, so if "marriage" is such a religious term, what's it doing in government? Should just be civil unions for all IMHO. Separation of church and state and all that.
Youre thinking of the term Holy Matrimony, which is the religious version. Marriage is simply the union of two or more things. Like the marriage of peanut butter and chocolate.
i guess it depends if you put the peanut butter on the chocolate, or the chocolate into the peanut butter..
one way is right, the other is a sin..
Let's face it, if we really had a separation of church and state then a lot of our "hot issues" would go away. Birth control, abortion and same sex marriage? Poof, not a problem because they come down to an issue individual freedoms without being gummed up by people saying it "goes against their religion." Newsflash: If it goes against your religion- DON'T DO IT. Hate birth control? Don't use it. Hate abortion? Don't get one. Disagree with same sex marriage? Don't marry someone who is the same sex as you. This isn't rocket science.
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
GameboyRMH wrote:
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
From a legal standpoint, I don't get why the word marriage is used at all.
I'm pretty sure "marriage" is the legal term for a...marriage.
Yeah, but that seems to piss off the bible thumpin folks, so if "marriage" is such a religious term, what's it doing in government? Should just be civil unions for all IMHO. Separation of church and state and all that.
Well, it's not my fault they lack the wherewithal to do the necessary research to understand the term/idea of "marriage" existed long before the Abrahamic religions.
