Secret Service agents protecting Biden’s granddaughter open fire when 3 people try to break into SUV
And they missed?
Of course I was not there and I do not know what transpired.
Secret Service agents protecting Biden’s granddaughter open fire when 3 people try to break into SUV
And they missed?
Of course I was not there and I do not know what transpired.
IBTL
That sounds like someone tried to steal the wrong car, and also that pistol shooting isn't quite like it's portrayed in the movies.
Never assume firearms accuracy for most law enforcement. They do tend to be rather good at emptying their guns as fast as possible though. This is my favorite example. Two women in the truck, one of them was hit twice, non life threatening!
There has to be at least 40 holes in this truck, based on the accuracy, I am sure many did not even hit the truck, and who was the sharpshooter with the nice grouping at the bottom of the tailgate?!
aircooled said:Never assume firearms accuracy for most law enforcement. They do tend to be rather good at emptying their guns as fast as possible though. This is my favorite example. Two women in the truck, one of them was hit twice, non life threatening!
One would hope the secret service has somewhat better training than the average county deputy.
Such a contrast. Where I live (I'm not kidding), if the police see someone breaking into as car, they are supposed to give him a ticket with a summons to appear in court within 30 days. But since the County DA put seven prosecutors on leave as her first act in office, the chances of prosecution are practically nil.
"One of the agents opened fire, but no one was struck by the gunfire, the Secret Service said in a statement. "
People! You're in Georgetown, ya think the bullets travel 100 feet or so and drop to the ground when they realize you missed? They go somewhere.
Rather misleading threat title. Granted the individual components for a sensational story are all in the picture.
No Grand daughter on scene or even nearby. Sounds like a random car break-in that coincidentally involved a Secret Service Agent that just happens to be one of the agents assigned to provide security for the grand daughter.. Amen to the poor marksmanship; pretty sure his buddies will make fun of him forever.
Yeah, but not as bad as those two guys on JFK's back bumper .....
In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :
You do have to wonder if "breaking into a car" justifies use of deadly force, even in Secret Service regs. Certainly does not with most any other police / law enforcement.
Trigger happy ?
note to self. , do not hang around SUVs in Washington DC area
and as said above , where did the bullets land ?
Click bait story I guess !
californiamilleghia said:
note to self. , do not break into SUVs in Washington DC area
FTFY.
In reply to aircooled :
It likely depends on what was in the car.
aircooled said:In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :
You do have to wonder if "breaking into a car" justifies use of deadly force, even in Secret Service regs. Certainly does not with most any other police / law enforcement.
I wonder how far down the family tree the SS protection is given? Nieces and Nephews? Great grandkids? Aunts and uncles? grandparents? (although if Biden's or Trump's grandparents were alive that would be a medical miracle, wouldn't it!) 
aircooled said:In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :
You do have to wonder if "breaking into a car" justifies use of deadly force, even in Secret Service regs. Certainly does not with most any other police / law enforcement.
The article says it was an unmarked Secret Service vehicle they were breaking into. I'm pretty sure that makes it a big no-no and more likely to be met with deadly force.
Toyman! said:aircooled said:In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :
You do have to wonder if "breaking into a car" justifies use of deadly force, even in Secret Service regs. Certainly does not with most any other police / law enforcement.
The article says it was an unmarked Secret Service vehicle they were breaking into. I'm pretty sure that makes it a big no-no and more likely to be met with deadly force.
The article is also pretty short on details about exactly when he opened fire.
Perhaps he challenged the suspect, who then pulled out a gun? Or perhaps the suspect jumped in a getaway car and drove at the officer? We don't know because it doesn't say. My impression is that the guys who are given the VIP protection jobs are the "elite" ones with the most training, experience, trustworthiness, demonstrated good judgement, etc, and it seems unlikely that they'd start spraying bullets at someone who's just trying to break into a parked/locked/unoccupied vehicle without more provocation.
codrus (Forum Supporter) said:Toyman! said:aircooled said:In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :
You do have to wonder if "breaking into a car" justifies use of deadly force, even in Secret Service regs. Certainly does not with most any other police / law enforcement.
The article says it was an unmarked Secret Service vehicle they were breaking into. I'm pretty sure that makes it a big no-no and more likely to be met with deadly force.
The article is also pretty short on details about exactly when he opened fire.
Perhaps he challenged the suspect, who then pulled out a gun? Or perhaps the suspect jumped in a getaway car and drove at the officer? We don't know because it doesn't say. My impression is that the guys who are given the VIP protection jobs are the "elite" ones with the most training, experience, trustworthiness, demonstrated good judgement, etc, and it seems unlikely that they'd start spraying bullets at someone who's just trying to break into a parked/locked/unoccupied vehicle without more provocation.
Considering that blacked-out Suburban is probably where they keep the higher-powered weapons they need to do their jobs, if the door opens or the glass breaks, all bets are off.
And of course the article was short on information. Anymore, all of them are.
aircooled said:Never assume firearms accuracy for most law enforcement. They do tend to be rather good at emptying their guns as fast as possible though.
Remember the 1999 shooting of Amadou Diallo in New York City? Four police officers fired 41 shots at him in the doorway of his apartment building, hitting him 19 times. This means they missed more than half the time from fewer than ten feet away.
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/05/nyregion/officers-in-bronx-fire-41-shots-and-an-unarmed-man-is-killed.html
(Ignoring him being unarmed, etc., and just focusing on the shooting accuracy.)
Quoting from the article, edited for brevity: "Two officers emptied their weapons, firing 16 shots each. One fired five times and one fired four times. Three of the officers have been involved in shootings before, which is unusual in a department where more than 90 percent of all officers never fire their weapons in the line of duty."
"One of the agents opened fire, but no one was struck by the gunfire, the Secret Service said in a statement. "
No one they know of....
In reply to BoulderG :
Yeah, the circumstance of the truck pic above were even more obscene than the lack of accuracy (literally, they were near the police chiefs house during a manhunt for a cop killer, who was neither two women, nor hispanic). In the same time frame of bad decisions, an LAPD officer (I think), rammed a truck that they thought was the suspect (driver was the wrong race), so clearly about a cars hood away (maybe 6 feet?), and dumped a clip (or at least a number of shots) at the driver (because, why not) and managed to hit the guy.... zero times!! I mean, it's almost Star Wars Stormtrooper level!
Yes, I would certainly hope SS has a wee bit more trigger discipline than displayed by the LAPD that day!!
SS vehicle prolly had multiple Pelican cases full of MP-5's and M-4's...
stroker said:SS vehicle prolly had multiple Pelican cases full of MP-5's and M-4's...
Dear Santa...
stroker said:SS vehicle prolly had multiple Pelican cases full of MP-5's and M-4's...
I don't think the secret service is likely to employ lethal force against someone who might be stealing guns, at least not until he pulls one out of the case and points it at someone.
It's hard to come up with something that's simultaneously such a threat that they would employ lethal force to prevent it from being stolen, yet simultaneously trivial enough to leave unattended in a vehicle in the first place. I really think there's more to this story.
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