Sonata YF "unintended accleration" footage

Story:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/16/world/asia/south-korea-car-crash/

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McmPVJQLDXQ

This is another car with "keyless start" (no automotive technology with "keyless" in its name has ever been good).

I don't understand how Keyless figures into this thing. The story plainly says "driving to a department store in Daegu, 238 kilometers (148 miles) south of Seoul," So keyless or not means nothing.

Just say YOU don't like keyless. I LOVE keyless, it's so much more convenient and has nothing to do with the operation of the car, only whether I can start it without digging into my pants because I forgot to pull my key out before I sat down.

carguy123 wrote: Just say YOU don't like keyless. I LOVE keyless, it's so much more convenient and has nothing to do with the operation of the car, only whether I can start it without digging into my pants because I forgot to pull my key out before I sat down.

Why would your keys be in pockets when you sit down? How do you open the car?

"Elderly"

Why is it that the "unintended acceleration" cases disproportionately affect the elderly? I can think of only one good reason, and it's not because of the kind of cars the elderly tend to choose.

Re: Keyless, speak for yourself! I don't mind using a key to start the car, but I love keyless entry. Plus it prevents so many scratches on the car from uncoordinated previous owners.

carguy123 wrote: I don't understand how Keyless figures into this thing. The story plainly says "driving to a department store in Daegu, 238 kilometers (148 miles) south of Seoul," So keyless or not means nothing.

Keyless means they would have no obvious way to shut the engine off in an emergency. We know to hold the button for 10 seconds or whatever because we read the manual, but most people don't.

And yeah I don't like keyless, but that's not why I brought it up.

In reply to dculberson:

I just thought Buicks have an insatiable thurst for human flesh

93EXCivic wrote:

carguy123 wrote: Just say YOU don't like keyless. I LOVE keyless, it's so much more convenient and has nothing to do with the operation of the car, only whether I can start it without digging into my pants because I forgot to pull my key out before I sat down.

Why would your keys be in pockets when you sit down? How do you open the car?

Most cars have a button on the door handle you touch when you approach, and the car unlocks. I love the keyless part, too. And, yes, I just leave the keys in my pocket.

BTW, when faced with an emergency situation, it's not actually correct to assume that all drivers know to even key the car off. I know I'd like to think I would be calm enough to do the right thing, but not having faced such a situation, I honestly don't know what I would do.

BTW, pt2- when looking at turning the car off by pushing down by 10 seconds, AFAIK, that's Toyota's solution. Not sure what everyone else does. Same goes for if they had the foot on the brakes, some car makers will idle the car if you are on the brakes long enough- a second or two. Hard to make assumptions about a Hyundai using Toyota information.

IIRC, all of Hyundai's TBW vehicles use the brake override. IE, the brake pedl being depressed over rides the TBW input. So, the video is either fake, or the driver was pushing the wrong pedal (which is what actually happens 99% of the time)

I've never had to do it, but have always been concerned (I mean, when I have the spare cycles to be worrying about stuck throttles...) that if I had to turn the key off to kill the engine, that I'd engage the steering lock.

Except on my '64 Ranchero with no steering lock

Old person steps on gas instead of brake, gets too panic to realize their error, the end.

My twin carbed '64 VW Notchback's throttle linkage would sometimes bind and stick wide open if I really mashed the gas, and I must say it was nice to just be able to turn the key off when it happened.

I had the throttle stick wide open on my Volvo once, the cruise control vacuum actuator stuck wide open and wouldn't release until I pulled the vacuum line. I just turned the key off then on again so the engine was off and the steering wasn't locked.

Otto Maddox wrote: Old person steps on gas instead of brake, gets too panic to realize their error, the end.

This, for 30 years (remember the Audi/60 Minutes scandal?)

It's much more palatable to the public to blame the car than to admit that drivers should have to re-qualify behind the wheel every few years.

But look into the future. As the Boomers age, the number of elderly drivers is going to explode. At the same time cars continue to get more complex (what do you call the cruise control that adjusts to the car in front of it?) And, here in the midwest, we have no mass transit infrastructure, so those Boomers are going to have to keep driving, even when they know they shouldn't and really don't want to.

Damn, what a helpless feeling whether it was driver error or a car issue. Yikes!

I have a difficult time believing it was unintended acceleration due to a vehicle malfunction. Perhaps unintended acceleration due to human error?

Also, if that were the case why not keep the vehicle straight, there would have been less damage to both vehicles with 10 feet between them?

MA$$hole wrote: Also, if that were the case why not keep the vehicle straight, there would have been less damage to both vehicles with 10 feet between them?

It certainly would've been better to have the accident at 8mph than 80, but the instinct to avoid a collision is strong, and the situation just kept getting worse the longer it went on. It would have been a hard decision, even with a clear head, to say at 40mph "Crap, I'm still accelerating. I'd better plow into something before I get going any faster..."

Yet another reason to go with a manual.

JohnInKansas wrote: Yet another reason to go with a manual.

^--------THIS!

Wally wrote: In reply to dculberson: I just thought Buicks have an insatiable thurst for human flesh

I had a customer once who claimed her Park Avenue locked her in and she could not get out. She then proceeded to beat a hole in the windshield with her coffee cup.

I got in the car, locked the doors and then pulled the inside handle, that popped the lock and I got right out. It wasn't just me; about ten other people did exactly the same thing.

In reply to Curmudgeon:

front windshield?? wow, that's one heck of a coffee cup.

I'll have what she's drinking.

Probably a stainless steel coffee cup.

Still seems like something a methhead would do though.

'Made a hole' is actually misleading, sorry about that. She had one of those ceramic cups with the wide base like the Coast Guard etc use on boats. She beat the E36 M3 out of the inside of the glass, actually had broken both layers and bent the plastic middle layer. A passerby (she was at a grocery store) somehow got the passenger front door open and let her out. She claimed to power locks locked on their own, she could not open the car with the lock button and also the windows wouldn't work. I still think she never tried pulling the inside handles and refused to admit it.

I once had a woman lock the keys in her Explorer and then try to blame it on me.

Curmudgeon wrote: 'Made a hole' is actually misleading, sorry about that. She had one of those ceramic cups with the wide base like the Coast Guard etc use on boats. She beat the E36 M3 out of the inside of the glass, actually had broken both layers and bent the plastic middle layer. A passerby (she was at a grocery store) somehow got the passenger front door open and let her out. She claimed to power locks locked on their own, she could not open the car with the lock button and also the windows wouldn't work. I still think she never tried pulling the inside handles and refused to admit it. I once had a woman lock the keys in her Explorer and then try to blame it on me.

God, I hate people. I just want to move somewhere and live off the land and never see people like this again.

MA$$hole wrote:

Perfect!!!