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GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH PowerDork
1/7/13 8:25 a.m.

Another long-term plan could be accelerated through the discovery of a sweet deal, I've found some LS1 coil packs on a harness for a 4cyl CoP setup:

https://secure.flickr.com/photos/63153459@N02/5754001686/

Through some quick googling I've found a few people saying they're running LS1 coils on a 4AGE but no pics. The 1ZZFE coil packs are the more popular option. Anyone know how these things fit? There won't be a whole lot of clearance between the valve cover and hood.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH PowerDork
1/7/13 8:30 a.m.

Answer found, they don't mount directly on the plug, you still need plug wires:

It would be good for an offroad car (so you could seal the coil packs away) and is probably better for longevity.

The 1ZZFE setup saves underhood space (in total, but reduces valve-cover-to-hood clearance), the downside is you have to modify the valve cover:

81cpcamaro
81cpcamaro HalfDork
1/7/13 8:31 a.m.

Since those coils use spark plug wires, you should be able to mount them in just about any position, as long as you have long enough plug wires.

EDIT: I see you found the answer already, looks like a cool setup.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH PowerDork
1/7/13 8:42 a.m.

Think I'm gonna hold out for 1ZZ-FE coil packs. No way I could get LS1 stuff locally.

They can look cool too, my finished engine would look very similar to this:

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
1/7/13 8:59 a.m.

Is that Wild Turkey in a can?

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH PowerDork
1/7/13 9:21 a.m.

That's what it looks like...

pinchvalve
pinchvalve UltimaDork
1/7/13 10:08 a.m.

Stop with the 4AGE porn! I can't take it.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess UltimaDork
1/7/13 10:18 a.m.

What are you going to control it with? I run 5SFE Camry coil packs on my 20v 4AG in waste spark, controlled by MegaSquirt.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt SuperDork
1/7/13 10:43 a.m.
81cpcamaro wrote: Since those coils use spark plug wires, you should be able to mount them in just about any position, as long as you have long enough plug wires. EDIT: I see you found the answer already, looks like a cool setup.

Another option - LS1 coils on the valve cover:

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic HalfDork
1/7/13 11:15 a.m.
GameboyRMH wrote: Think I'm gonna hold out for 1ZZ-FE coil packs. No way I could get LS1 stuff locally.

In a typical GM fashion, I highly doubt LS1 engines use different coil packs than the LS style truck engines.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH PowerDork
1/7/13 12:17 p.m.
Dr. Hess wrote: What are you going to control it with? I run 5SFE Camry coil packs on my 20v 4AG in waste spark, controlled by MegaSquirt.

Megasquirt in CoP mode

Kenny_McCormic wrote: In a typical GM fashion, I highly doubt LS1 engines use different coil packs than the LS style truck engines.

There's just as much local support for GM trucks as for Corvettes, that is, zero

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy Dork
1/7/13 12:51 p.m.

I don't understand......... why run COP with a wire?

mazdeuce
mazdeuce HalfDork
1/7/13 12:57 p.m.

Where the hell do you live there there aren't 1000 ls powered trucks within 5 miles? There's one in my driveway and I can look out the windows and see three other ones and a ls powered camaro in various neighbors yards.

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave MegaDork
1/7/13 12:57 p.m.
Kenny_McCormic wrote:
GameboyRMH wrote: Think I'm gonna hold out for 1ZZ-FE coil packs. No way I could get LS1 stuff locally.

In a typical GM fashion, I highly doubt LS1 engines use different coil packs than the LS style truck engines.

The truck stuff is actually hotter.

LS Truck coils, stacked into a coil pack, on a Honda D16A6 -

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave MegaDork
1/7/13 1:15 p.m.

One thing I liked about the LS1 packs is that I retained the GM sub-harness, so I only had to wire in a single plug that ran all 4 coils. I was able to get that plug and pins from Ballinger.

turboswede
turboswede PowerDork
1/7/13 1:22 p.m.
mazdeuce wrote: Where the hell do you live there there aren't 1000 ls powered trucks within 5 miles? There's one in my driveway and I can look out the windows and see three other ones and a ls powered camaro in various neighbors yards.

Barbados. Toyota trucks are more prevalent.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
1/7/13 1:32 p.m.

LS1 and LS3 coils are different, too. The engine family's been in production for a decade and a half in a huge variety of applications, remember.

We put LS3 coils on Miata engines. We mount them on the back of the valve cover. The LS3 coils are a lot smaller than the LS1 units, and we can pack four of them in the place of two Miata coils.

dean1484
dean1484 UltraDork
1/7/13 2:05 p.m.

Have you looked at the Ford coils from the 4.6 / 5.4 V8's? They would be a true COP. You would have to make up a mounting bracket but since you are fabricating already maybe it is an option?

I have a couple bad ones lying around if you want to play with them. they are yours.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH PowerDork
1/7/13 2:10 p.m.

Haha shipping would kill you and I'm trying to stick to Japanese stuff since American cars aren't too common here and junkyard/parts store support is poor. I'll go for 1ZZ, I only considered something else because I noticed a sweet deal.

sobe_death
sobe_death HalfDork
1/7/13 3:16 p.m.

Ok, this is awesome, but since I can't find the subscribe button I'll jsut reply

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy Dork
1/7/13 3:28 p.m.

Hmmmmm, I'm running an older GM coil assembly.... not as light as the COPs... but it does plug in with just the GM plugs....

mounted low on passenger side just above the frame rail

Nashco
Nashco UltraDork
1/7/13 3:29 p.m.
oldeskewltoy wrote: I don't understand......... why run COP with a wire?

In the case of a typical pushrod Vx engine, coil near plug (CNP) makes plenty of sense. Reliability, packaging, cost, etc. Try getting a set of coil packs to survive hanging off a Vsomething while cantilevered above the exhaust manifold and you'll get it.

In a DOHC I4 a coil ON plug makes much more sense, which is why it's so common. In the case of retrofits and aftermarket stuff, there's a TON of CNP stuff you can get for cheap that performs great, has good documentation, and packages easily, so you see a lot of them even in retrofits on DOHC I4s (as shown above).

Bryce

Nashco
Nashco UltraDork
1/7/13 3:45 p.m.
DILYSI Dave wrote: The truck stuff is actually hotter. LS Truck coils, stacked into a coil pack, on a Honda D16A6 -

Dave...hate to hijack the thread, but can you tell (or link to) more about this setup on the D16? Curious what engine management is being used and with what timing sensor(s).

Bryce

Type Q
Type Q Dork
1/7/13 3:57 p.m.
mazdeuce wrote: Where the hell do you live there there aren't 1000 ls powered trucks within 5 miles? There's one in my driveway and I can look out the windows and see three other ones and a ls powered camaro in various neighbors yards.

IIRC he lives on one of the Caribean Islands.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce HalfDork
1/7/13 7:19 p.m.
Type Q wrote:
mazdeuce wrote: Where the hell do you live there there aren't 1000 ls powered trucks within 5 miles? There's one in my driveway and I can look out the windows and see three other ones and a ls powered camaro in various neighbors yards.

IIRC he lives on one of the Caribean Islands.

I absolutely love that we have people from all over the world on here. Love it.

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